What Is the pH of a Solution with Double Dissociation of Ascorbic Acid?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pH of a solution with a given concentration of ascorbic acid and its dissociation products. The user initially sets up the dissociation equations but encounters issues with imaginary values in their calculations. They express confusion about the correct setup for the second dissociation step, particularly regarding the concentrations of the conjugate anion and the acid. The user’s chemistry teacher indicated that the products should not be squared in the calculations. Overall, the thread highlights common challenges in understanding acid dissociation and equilibrium calculations.
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Hello again,

Yes, it's me with another disassociation problem.

If you have .0213M of ascorbic acid, what is the pH of a solution containing the second disassociated form?

Ok,

HC6H7O6 <--> H + C6H7O6

8.0e-5 = x^2 / (.0213 - x)
x = 1.265e-3M

C6H7O6 <---> H + C6H6O6
.02M - x (1.265-3 + x) (1.265-3 + x)

so,

1.6e-12 = (1.265e-3+x)^2/(.02-x)

Now I apparently set up the second part wrong as I am getting imaginary molarities and pHs. My chemistry teacher said I was not supose to square the rpoducts like that.

I do not understand why
 
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C6H7O6 <---> H + C6H6O6
.02M - x (1.265-3 + x) (1.265-3 + x)

The initial concentration of the conjugate anion is 0. Also the initial concentration of the acid for the second Ka should be the same as the hydronium concentration.
 

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