What is the slope of the line tangent to the polar curve

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The discussion revolves around finding the slope of the tangent line to the polar curve r = 2θ at θ = π/2. A participant initially calculated the slope as zero but later learned the correct answer is -2/π. The conversation emphasizes the need to convert the polar equation into Cartesian coordinates to derive dy/dx. It is noted that at θ = π/2, the x-coordinate is zero, complicating the calculation. Ultimately, the key takeaway is to differentiate implicitly to find the slope at the specified point.
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Homework Statement


What is the slope of the line tangent to the polar curve r=2theta at the point theta= pie/2


Homework Equations


r = xcos theta
r= ysin theta


The Attempt at a Solution


I kept getting zero but the answer is -2/pie.
Can anyone give me a hint? :) Thanks!
 
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yeahyeah<3 said:

Homework Statement


What is the slope of the line tangent to the polar curve r=2theta at the point theta= pie/2


Homework Equations


r = xcos theta
r= ysin theta
Your "relevant equations" are irrelevant and incorrect. They should be
x = r cos(\theta)
y = r sin(\theta)
yeahyeah<3 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


I kept getting zero but the answer is -2/pie.
Can anyone give me a hint? :) Thanks!

pie is something to eat. \pi, the Greek letter pi, is a number.

For the slope, you want dy/dx. From the equations for x and y in terms of r and \theta, you can get y/x = tan(\theta), and from this, you can get
\theta = tan^{-1}(y/x).
Use these to convert your polar equation into Cartesian form, and then calculate the derivative dy/dx, and evaluate this derivative at the point where \theta is \pi/2.
 
I apologize for those mistakes.
However, I am still confused in what you are saying to do.

Tan (pi/2) is undefined.
I'm not sure how to get the slope.
I know the slope is the derivative or dy/dtheta/dx/dtheta but I don't know how that helps me.

Thanks!
 
The polar curve r = 2\theta is a spiral in the counterclockwise direction. If we're talking about the slope of the tangent line at (pi, pi/2) (polar coordinates), we have to be talking about dy/dx, because the other derivative, dr/d\theta is constant and equal to 2. I drew a quick sketch of this curve and convince myself that dy/dx at the point in question was negative, which agrees with the answer you gave, at least in sign.

You need to convert your polar equation into Cartesian coordinates, and then take the derivative dy/dx.

Since \theta = tan-1(y/x), the polar equation becomes
\sqrt{x^2 + y^2} = tan^{-1}(y/x)
Rather than trying to solve for y in that equation, I think it would be easier to differentiate implicitly, and then solve for dy/dx in the resulting equation. If you get that far, you want to evaluate the derivative at x = 0, since your polar point (pi, pi/2) has an x-coordinate of 0.
 
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