What is the unknown circuit element in RLC circuit given plot of V, I?

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In summary, the unknown circuit element in an RLC circuit can be identified by analyzing the relationship between voltage (V) and current (I) as depicted in the given plot. By examining the phase shift and amplitude variations between V and I, one can deduce whether the element is resistive, inductive, or capacitive, and quantify its properties. This analysis helps in understanding the overall behavior of the circuit and the impact of the unknown element on its performance.
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Homework Statement
An AC source is connected to a single unknown circuit element as shown in the second picture below.

The driving frequency is ##\omega=100\text{rad/s}##.

The voltage and current are as in the plot in the third picture below.
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Which of the following statements could be true
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Here is the circuit

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and here is the plot of current and voltage

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we don't know which is which initially.

Just by looking at this plot, I conclude that the element cannot be a resistor because if it were then the phase would need to be zero.

Next, suppose the element is an inductor. Then

$$I_{L0}=\frac{V_{L0}}{\omega L}$$

where ##I_{L0}## and ##V_{L0}## are amplitudes of current and voltage for such a circuit.

Now, but visual inspection of the plot we see that we can have two cases.

Suppose the dashed graph is the current and the solid graph is the voltage. Then

$$\mathrm{200mA=\frac{10V}{100rad/s\cdot L}}$$

$$\implies L=\frac{1}{2}\text{H}$$

Next suppose that the dashed graph is the voltage and the solid graph is the current. Then

$$\mathrm{100mA=\frac{20V}{100rad/s\cdot L}}$$

$$\implies L=2\text{H}$$

Next, suppose the element is a capacitor. By analogous reasoning, but now using the equation

$$I_{C0}=\omega C V_{CO}$$

we reach two cases.

If the dashed line is current then we find that

$$\mathrm{200mA=100rad/s \cdot C\cdot 10V}$$

$$\implies C=\frac{0.2}{1000}=0.2\text{mF}$$

If the dashed line is voltage then

$$\mathrm{100mA=100rad/s\cdot C\cdot 20V}$$

$$\implies C=\frac{0.1}{2000}\text{F}=50\mathrm{\mu F}$$

If this is all correct I have shown that the four options selected in the first picture above are correct and that the two unselected options are incorrect. If this is so, the grading system is incorrect.

On the other hand, I guess it is more probable that I am making some mistake.
 
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You have to figure out which curve leads the other. Read about phases and ELI the ICE man here and try again.
 
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On the other hand, I guess it is more probable that I am making some mistake.
Yes you are - you are ignoring the information about the phase difference between voltage and current shown in the graph.
 
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Okay, that is true. The dashed line lags the solid line.

If the dashed line is current, then this is like a circuit with an inductor.

If the solid line is current, on the other hand, then this is like a circuit with a capacitor.

And indeed the grading system shows this to be correct.
 
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zenterix said:
Okay, that is true. The dashed line lags the solid line.

If the dashed line is current, then this is like a circuit with an inductor.

If the solid line is current, on the other hand, then this is like a circuit with a capacitor.

And indeed the grading system shows this to be correct.
I agree.
Without additional information, such as curve color or line style being defined as Voltage or Current (which they are not in the problem statement), both answers would be correct.
 

FAQ: What is the unknown circuit element in RLC circuit given plot of V, I?

1. What is an RLC circuit?

An RLC circuit is an electrical circuit that consists of a resistor (R), an inductor (L), and a capacitor (C) connected in series or parallel. These components interact to determine the circuit's overall impedance, resonance frequency, and behavior in response to alternating current (AC) signals.

2. How can I identify an unknown circuit element in an RLC circuit from voltage and current plots?

To identify an unknown circuit element, you can analyze the voltage and current plots by examining their phase relationship, amplitude, and frequency response. By comparing the observed characteristics with theoretical models of R, L, and C components, you can deduce the nature of the unknown element based on its impedance and behavior in the circuit.

3. What information can voltage and current plots provide about circuit elements?

Voltage and current plots can provide insights into the amplitude, phase shift, and frequency response of the circuit. The relationship between voltage and current can help determine whether the unknown element behaves more like a resistor, inductor, or capacitor, based on how they respond to AC signals and their respective phase angles.

4. What is the significance of phase difference in RLC circuits?

The phase difference between voltage and current is crucial in RLC circuits as it indicates the type of circuit behavior. A phase difference of 0 degrees suggests a purely resistive circuit, while a phase difference of 90 degrees indicates a purely inductive or capacitive behavior. Understanding the phase relationship helps in identifying the unknown element by comparing it to known characteristics of resistors, inductors, and capacitors.

5. Can I use simulation tools to aid in identifying the unknown circuit element?

Yes, simulation tools can be very helpful in identifying unknown circuit elements. By modeling the RLC circuit with various combinations of resistors, inductors, and capacitors, you can simulate voltage and current responses to different inputs. Comparing these simulated results with your experimental plots can provide valuable insights into the characteristics of the unknown element.

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