What is the volume of the system when inserting the 4-velocity of the observer?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of "inserting" a vector into a tensor's "slot" and the resulting contraction, as well as a typo in equation (13.73) of a textbook. It also delves into the physical dimensions of volume and how it relates to the energy-stress-momentum tensor and conservation laws.
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I do not understand the mathematical formula under item 1. at all (and not the other items either).
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The text says: "1. If we insert the 4-velocity u of the observer into one of the slots...". I do not understand at all. What does it mean that a tensor has "vector slots"? What does "dp/dV" mean? I would like to see the operation step by step.
I have attempted but with no result.
 
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I do not have read the book but as for vector slots I assume that a rank 2 tensor can be regarded as a 4X4 matrix and one of 4 columns or 4 rows is 4-velocity inserted.
As for dp/dV, what are p and V ? Is p momentum? Is V volume of something ?
 
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After Goldsteins eq(13.72) he immediately gives (13.73) as the explicit-component version of the same equation. "Inserting" a vector into a tensor's "slot" means contracting the tensor with the vector. In (13.73), the "contraction" is the implicit summation over the index ##\beta##.

But note that there's a typo in (13.73), at least in my copy of the book. He writes $$T^\alpha_{~\beta} u^\alpha ~=~ T_\beta^{~\alpha} u^\beta ~=~ -\left( \frac{dp^\alpha}{dV} \right) ~.$$ The 1st term should have ##u^\beta##, not ##u^\alpha##.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
I do not have read the book but as for vector slots I assume that a rank 2 tensor can be regarded as a 4X4 matrix and one of 4 columns or 4 rows is 4-velocity inserted.
As for dp/dV, what are p and V ? Is p momentum? Is V volume of something ?
Thank you!
 
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strangerep said:
After Goldsteins eq(13.72) he immediately gives (13.73) as the explicit-component version of the same equation. "Inserting" a vector into a tensor's "slot" means contracting the tensor with the vector. In (13.73), the "contraction" is the implicit summation over the index ##\beta##.

But note that there's a typo in (13.73), at least in my copy of the book. He writes $$T^\alpha_{~\beta} u^\alpha ~=~ T_\beta^{~\alpha} u^\beta ~=~ -\left( \frac{dp^\alpha}{dV} \right) ~.$$ The 1st term should have ##u^\beta##, not ##u^\alpha##.
Thank you! I thought so too, though I was a little bewildered by the typo. I will need to do the contraction to see the result. I have tried to do so in my head but not succeeded, probably because I was not sure what "inserting a vector into the slot of a tensor" really meant. Now I can proceed with a little more confidence, using paper and pen when doing the tensor contraction. I do private studies on my own, and sometimes I get stuck, at times for no good reason. Then Physics Forums is my last resort and very valuable to me. Thanks again!
 
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strangerep said:
He writes T βαuα = Tβ αuβ = −(dpαdV) . The 1st term should have uβ, not uα.
Thanks to your quotes. So V has physical dimension of p/Tu, volume if c=1. What volume is it ?
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
Thanks to your quotes. So V has physical dimension of p/Tu, volume if c=1. What volume is it ?
IIUC, ##V## by itself means the volume of the system, and ##dV## is an infinitesimal volume element, as one would find in an integral over some total volume. E.g., in eq(13.34) on p568, in a section about the energy-stress-momentum tensor and conservation laws, he illustrates with: $$R_\mu ~=~ \int T_\mu^{~0} dV$$as an example of an integral quantity which is conserved by virtue of a continuity equation.

In the exercise mentioned in the OP, we've switched to the relativistic case, so ##T_\mu^{~0}## is generalized to ##T^\alpha_{~\beta} u^\beta##. The idea is that an integral over the volume of the system gives the total energy-momentum (IIUC).
 
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What is the 4-velocity of an observer?

The 4-velocity of an observer is a four-dimensional vector used in the theory of relativity to describe the observer's velocity in spacetime. It combines the observer's velocity through space with the passage of time, ensuring the magnitude of the 4-velocity is always the speed of light.

How is the 4-velocity related to the volume of a system?

The 4-velocity itself does not directly determine the volume of a system. However, in the context of relativistic physics, the 4-velocity can influence the measurement of spatial volumes due to relativistic effects such as time dilation and length contraction.

Can the volume of a system change when considering different observers' 4-velocities?

Yes, the volume of a system can appear different to observers with different 4-velocities due to relativistic effects. For example, an observer moving at a high velocity relative to a system may measure its length (and thus its volume) to be contracted compared to an observer at rest relative to the system.

How do you calculate the volume of a system in relativistic contexts?

In relativistic contexts, the volume of a system is often calculated using the Lorentz transformation, which accounts for the relative motion between observers. The transformation adjusts the spatial coordinates to reflect the effects of time dilation and length contraction.

Why is it important to consider the 4-velocity of the observer when measuring volumes in relativity?

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