What method can be used to solve this pde?

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In summary, the conversation is about a mathematical problem involving the integral $I(a,b) = \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-ax^{2}-\frac{b}{x^2}}$ and its properties. The conversation discusses different methods, such as differentiation under the integral sign, substitution, and integration by parts, to solve the problem. The use of a software program to solve the problem is also mentioned. The conversation then delves into the topic of solving PDEs using ODEs, with the participants discussing different methods and equations that could be used. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexity and challenges of solving mathematical problems involving PDEs.
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hi, i know a little bit of ODE but not much about PDE,Some math programs give me the solution but I would like to know what methods they use.

The problem is the following:
$$I(a,b) = \int_{0}^{\infty} e^{-ax^{2}-\frac{b}{x^2}}$$

through differentiation under the integral sign, substitution and integration by parts, we can find this properties.

$$I(a,b) = -\sqrt{\frac{b}{a}}\, \left ( \frac{\partial }{\partial b}I(a,b) \right )=-\frac{2a}{1+2\sqrt{ab}} \left ( \frac{\partial }{\partial a} I(a,b)\right )$$

and the condition

$$I(a,0) = \frac{1}{2}\sqrt{\frac{\pi }{a}}$$then using a softfware:

$$I(a,b) = -\sqrt{\frac{b}{a}}\, \left ( \frac{\partial }{\partial b}I(a,b) \right )$$
$$I(a,b) = f(a)\, e^{-2\sqrt{ab}}$$

now with the other equation

$$I(a,b) = -\frac{2a}{1+2\sqrt{ab}} \left ( \frac{\partial }{\partial a} I(a,b)\right )$$
$$I(a,b) = g(b)\, \frac{e^{-2\sqrt{ab}}}{\sqrt{a}}$$

comparing the 2 equations and considering the condition I(a,0) we get

$$I(a,b) = \frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{2} \frac{e^{-2\sqrt{ab}}}{\sqrt{a}}$$To fully understand the development, I would like to know what methods use the program to solve the 2 pde
thanks.
 
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MAGNIBORO said:
I would like to know what methods use the program to solve the 2 pde
Having got to this:
##I(a,b) = -\sqrt{\frac{b}{a}}\, \left ( \frac{\partial }{\partial b}I(a,b) \right )##
we can treat it as an ODE in Ia(b).
##I_a=-I_a'\sqrt{\frac ba}##
##\frac{dI_a}{I_a}=-\sqrt{\frac ab}db##
 
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haruspex said:
Having got to this:
##I(a,b) = -\sqrt{\frac{b}{a}}\, \left ( \frac{\partial }{\partial b}I(a,b) \right )##
we can treat it as an ODE in Ia(b).
##I_a=-I_a'\sqrt{\frac ba}##
##\frac{dI_a}{I_a}=-\sqrt{\frac ab}db##
wow, if we suppose "fix variables" we can "transform" pde into ode, very impressive
 
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MAGNIBORO said:
wow, if we suppose "fix variables" we can "transform" pde into ode, very impressive
PDEs are only significantly tougher than ODEs when derivatives wrt different independent variables occur in the same equation.
 
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haruspex said:
PDEs are only significantly tougher than ODEs when derivatives wrt different independent variables occur in the same equation.
ok, I find this quite useful To solve the "camouflaged pde".
the function ##I(a,b)## also satisfies the equation
$$I(a,b) = \frac{\partial^2 }{\partial a\, \partial b} I(a,b)$$
If I had tried to solve the problem by this equation, It would be a difficult problem or there is some method to solve it?
thanks
 
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ok, I find this quite useful To solve the "camouflaged pde".
the function ##I(a,b)## also satisfies the equation
$$I(a,b) = \frac{\partial^2 }{\partial a\, \partial b} I(a,b)$$
If I had tried to solve the problem by this equation, It would be a difficult problem or there is some method to solve it?
thanks
I think there should be a minus sign in there, but that's beside the point.
Although the equation is true, it is only one equation instead of two, so may well have extra solutions. Indeed, it is symmetric in a and b, whereas your original equation pair is not, and neither is the solution you already have.

I tried separation of variables... I did get solutions like ##k_ne^{\lambda_n a-b/\lambda_n}##, but it is not obvious how a sum of those with different parameters would recreate your original solution.
 
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One can obtain solutions of the form [itex](Ae^a + Be^b)f(a + b)[/itex] where [itex]f'' + f' - f = 0[/itex] so that [tex]
f(z) = Ce^{\frac12 z}\cosh\left(\frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}z\right) + De^{\frac12 z}\sinh\left(\frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}z\right)[/tex]
or [itex](Ae^a + Be^b)g(a-b)[/itex] where [itex]g'' + g' + g = 0[/itex] so that [tex]
g(z) = Ce^{\frac12 z}\cos\left(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}z\right) + De^{\frac12 z}\sin\left(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}z\right).[/tex]
 
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One can obtain solutions of the form [itex](Ae^a + Be^b)f(a + b)[/itex] where [itex]f'' + f' - f = 0[/itex] so that [tex]
f(z) = Ce^{\frac12 z}\cosh\left(\frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}z\right) + De^{\frac12 z}\sinh\left(\frac{\sqrt{5}}{2}z\right)[/tex]
or [itex](Ae^a + Be^b)g(a-b)[/itex] where [itex]g'' + g' + g = 0[/itex] so that [tex]
g(z) = Ce^{\frac12 z}\cos\left(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}z\right) + De^{\frac12 z}\sin\left(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}z\right).[/tex]

For what pde are this solutions?
 

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