What should i do after using Taylor series?

In summary, the conversation centered around finding the second term in the equation for maximum distance using a substitution technique. The next steps discussed were to isolate the variable u and then solve for it using the quadratic equation formula or by completing the square. However, the student was having trouble getting the desired final equation and was seeking further guidance.
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Homework Statement


The first equation on the uploaded paper converts to the last equation.

Homework Equations


when i substitute ln (1-u)=-u-(1/2)(u^2) into the first equation, i can get the first term in (3rd equation).
but the second term of the 3rd equation ?

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried ln(1-u)= -u-(1/2)(u^2)-(u^3)/3, then by completing the square. yet can't get. i wonder is that any way that i not yet learn.
please guide what to do. Thank you.
 

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Outrageous said:

Homework Statement


The first equation on the uploaded paper converts to the last equation.


Homework Equations


when i substitute ln (1-u)=-u-(1/2)(u^2) into the first equation, i can get the first term in (3rd equation).
but the second term of the 3rd equation ?


The Attempt at a Solution


I tried ln(1-u)= -u-(1/2)(u^2)-(u^3)/3, then by completing the square. yet can't get. i wonder is that any way that i not yet learn.
please guide what to do. Thank you.
I don't understand your question. Could you rephrase what you are asking?

Though, I'll point out (as a fun fact) that, analytically, ##x_{\text{max}}=\dot{x}_0\frac{g \operatorname{W}\left(\frac{-e^{\frac{-\gamma \dot{z}_0}{g}-1} (g+\gamma \dot{z}_0)}{g}\right)+g+\gamma \dot{z}_0}{\gamma (g+\gamma \dot{z}_0)}##, where ##\text{W}## is the Lambert W function. It's pretty. :-p
 
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Mandelbroth said:
I don't understand your question. Could you rephrase what you are asking?

Though, I'll point out (as a fun fact) that, analytically, ##x_{\text{max}}=\dot{x}_0\frac{g \operatorname{W}\left(\frac{-e^{\frac{-\gamma \dot{z}_0}{g}-1} (g+\gamma \dot{z}_0)}{g}\right)+g+\gamma \dot{z}_0}{\gamma (g+\gamma \dot{z}_0)}##, where ##\text{W}## is the Lambert W function. It's pretty. :-p

He's asking why he didn't get the second term in ##x_{max}## equation after he had substituted the natural logarithm with its Taylor expansion. He managed only to recreate the first term. Is there anything that he missed?
 
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Let's see what I can do:

$$\left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\right)\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\ln\left(1-\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}\right)=0 \\ \left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\right)\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}=\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}+\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}\right)^2+\cdots\right)\\ \text{For clarity and ease of notation, I now substitute the variable } u \text{ for}\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}. \\ \left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma ^2}\right)u=\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(u+\frac{u^2}{2}+\frac{u^3}{3}\cdots\right)\\ 0=\frac{\dot{z}_0 u}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(\frac{u^2}{2}+\frac{u^3}{3}+\cdots \right)$$

Can you take it from there, Outrageous?
 
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Mandelbroth said:
Let's see what I can do:

$$\left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\right)\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\ln\left(1-\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}\right)=0 \\ \left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\right)\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}=\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}+\frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}\right)^2+\cdots\right)\\ \text{For clarity and ease of notation, I now substitute the variable } u \text{ for}\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}. \\ \left(\frac{\dot{z}_0}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma ^2}\right)u=\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(u+\frac{u^2}{2}+\frac{u^3}{3}\cdots\right)\\ 0=\frac{\dot{z}_0 u}{\gamma}+\frac{g}{\gamma^2}\left(\frac{u^2}{2}+\frac{u^3}{3}+\cdots \right)$$

Can you take it from there, Outrageous?

Thanks for replies.
My question is exactly like what Seydlitz said.
Then after that, what should I do next?
 
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Outrageous said:
Thanks for replies.
My question is exactly like what Seydlitz said.
Then after that, what should I do next?
Isolate ##u##, substitute back ##u=\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}##, isolate ##x_{\text{max}}##.
 
  • #7
Mandelbroth said:
Isolate ##u##, substitute back ##u=\frac{\gamma x_{\text{max}}}{\dot{x}_0}##, isolate ##x_{\text{max}}##.

Sorry. Can I ask how to isolate u? By using?
 
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There are three solutions (if you negect terms higher than O(u^4) ). One of them is u=0.
 
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dirk_mec1 said:
There are three solutions (if you negect terms higher than O(u^4) ). One of them is u=0.

One will be u= 0 , then what should I going to do next in order to get ...last equation?
 

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If u is not 0 you can divide it out and you are left with a quadratic equation.
Do you know how to solve something of the form ax² + bx + c = 0?
 
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CompuChip said:
If u is not 0 you can divide it out and you are left with a quadratic equation.
Do you know how to solve something of the form ax² + bx + c = 0?

Use http://www.sosmath.com/algebra/quadraticeq/quadraformula/quadraformula.html formula or by completing the square...
This are two i know but I can't get the last equation I uploaded . Please guide. Thanks TT
 

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What is the purpose of using Taylor series?

The purpose of using Taylor series is to approximate a function by using a polynomial that closely matches the behavior of the function at a specific point. This allows for easier calculations and analysis of functions that may be difficult to work with directly.

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