What would GRT look like if negative masses existed?

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In summary: I forget the proper word, but it's an inequality that governs whether gravity attracts or repels in a given region) and I think you'll find that it always leads to repulsive gravity. The problem is constructing a form of matter that actually does this. There are various hand-waving arguments for how it would work, but nothing that holds up to close scrutiny.
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PeterDonis said:
Yes, but it's not the same solution as the one with ##M##.
Yes, because you have now done a second transformation which happens to undo the first one.

Well, the second transformation is just a coordinate transformation, while the first seems physically meaningful. What I don't remember (or never knew in the first place) is whether the Schwarzschild solution can be analytically continued to the region r < 0 to get to the white hole spacetime on the "other side" of the singularity. I've only seen the extended solution done in Kruskal-Szekeres coordinates.
 
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stevendaryl said:
the second transformation is just a coordinate transformation, while the first seems physically meaningful.

The physically meaningful parameter is really ##M / r##, so changing the sign of either ##M## or ##r## is physically meaningful.

stevendaryl said:
whether the Schwarzschild solution can be analytically continued to the region r < 0 to get to the white hole spacetime on the "other side" of the singularity.

There is no "other side of the singularity". There are two singularities, the future one (future boundary of the black hole region) and the past one (past boundary of the white hole). Both singularities have ##r = 0##, and there is no continuation beyond them (because curvature invariants go to infinity).
 
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I propose a slightly different way to look at this. The normal SC charts have M>0, and (1) r > 2M, and (2) r ∈ (0,2M). If you do R= -r as a pure coordinate transform, nothing changes about the physics because the relevant charts now have M>0 with (1) R < -2M and (2) R ∈ (-2M,0). Further, the event (t,R,θ,φ)=(t,-n,θ,φ) is taken to be the same as (t,r,θ,φ)= (t,n,θ,φ).

However, taking the SC metric as given, with M > 0, and asking about a new 'region' charted with r < 0 representing a different event than r >0, produces a physically different region (I put region in quotes because it is not possible to extend geodesics across r=0; this is not an 'extension' of the normal SC geometry). This region is physically the same as with M < 0, and r > 0. Given the semantics of r for spherical symmetry, it is simply more sensible to describe this geometry in terms of M<0, r >0. This geometry is not the same the white hole region of the KS analytic extension of an M>0 SC chart. It is simply a physically different geometry.
 
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PeterDonis said:
The physically meaningful parameter is really ##M / r##, so changing the sign of either ##M## or ##r## is physically meaningful.
There is no "other side of the singularity". There are two singularities, the future one (future boundary of the black hole region) and the past one (past boundary of the white hole). Both singularities have ##r = 0##, and there is no continuation beyond them (because curvature invariants go to infinity).

With a little Googling, I found a paper considering the analytic continuation of the Kerr metric (rotating black hole) to negative values of r:

http://leverett.harvard.edu/w/media/1/14/Reyes-blackholes.pdf
 
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stevendaryl said:
I found a paper considering the analytic continuation of the Kerr metric (rotating black hole) to negative values of r

Yes, but this doesn't apply to the Schwarzschild metric. The presence of rotation (making the singularity at ##r = 0## a ring rather than a point) makes a difference.
 

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