What wrong with Lorent transformation here?

In summary, there is a proposed train that travels around the Earth continuously, with a smaller train inside that travels in the opposite direction. This creates a problem with time perception for observers on Earth and on the larger train, as the smaller train is not affected by the Lorentz transformation. However, the relative velocity of the smaller train should cancel out this transformation. The question is, which time clock should be used as a reference? After discussing the details, it is determined that there is no issue with this setup.
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Say we build a train that can travels revolve Earth continuously. And inside the train there is another smaller train that also revolves Earth but travels in opposite direction with the bigger train.

The problems is: relative to observer on earth, the bigger train is under L.transformation but not the smaller one. Hence the time in bigger train seems slower but not the smaller train. But for the observer on the bigger train, the smaller train is undergo another L.transformation, hence the smaller train's time should be slower.

The speed of the smaller train should cancel the L.transformation relative to earth, hence where the time clock of the train should I refer to?

Is there something wrong?
 
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Let me get this straight. We have two trains, a larger train traveling with a constant velocity (relative to the Earth's surface) anti-clockwise around the Earth (for the sake of argument); and a smaller train, inside the larger train, traveling at the same velocity (relative to the larger train) but in the opposite direction to the larger train. Is this correct?
 
  • #3
Yup. Thank you Hootenanny, my english is just...
 
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I don't see a problem. Without the "inner train", an observor on Earth would see time running more slowly on the train while an observor on the train would see time running more slowly on the earth. Adding the "inner train" doesn't present anything new- it's just part of the Earth fram of reference.
 

FAQ: What wrong with Lorent transformation here?

What is the Lorentz transformation and why is it important?

The Lorentz transformation is a mathematical concept in physics that describes how measurements of space and time change between two reference frames that are moving relative to each other at a constant velocity. It is important because it helps us understand how the laws of physics behave in different inertial frames of reference, and it is a fundamental component of Einstein's theory of special relativity.

How does the Lorentz transformation differ from Galilean transformation?

The Galilean transformation is a simpler version of the Lorentz transformation that was used before Einstein's theory of special relativity. It assumes that time and space are absolute, meaning that they are the same for all observers regardless of their relative motion. The Lorentz transformation, on the other hand, takes into account the fact that the speed of light is constant for all observers and that time and space are relative concepts that can change depending on an observer's frame of reference.

Can you provide an example of when the Lorentz transformation is used in real life?

The Lorentz transformation is used in various fields of physics, such as particle physics, cosmology, and astrophysics. One example is in the study of high-energy particle collisions, where the Lorentz transformation is used to calculate the energy and momentum of particles before and after the collision. It is also used in GPS technology, as the satellites that make up the GPS system must take into account the effects of special relativity on time measurements.

What are some common misconceptions about the Lorentz transformation?

One common misconception is that the Lorentz transformation only applies to objects moving at the speed of light. In reality, it applies to all objects moving at a constant velocity. Another misconception is that it only applies to objects in space, when in fact it also applies to objects on Earth. Additionally, some people may mistakenly think that the Lorentz transformation is only a theoretical concept, when in fact it has been experimentally verified numerous times.

How does the Lorentz transformation impact our understanding of time and space?

The Lorentz transformation challenges our traditional understanding of time and space as absolute, fixed concepts. It shows that their measurements can vary depending on an observer's frame of reference, and that the speed of light is a fundamental constant that cannot be exceeded. This has significant implications for our understanding of the universe and has led to groundbreaking theories such as special relativity and the concept of spacetime.

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