What's the deal with force and velocity components?

In summary, the length of an object moving at a relative speed to you is contracted. This means that the only direction that is unaffected is perpendicular to v.
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I have two questions about components which are closely related.

The first is about how 'real' the component of a force is. Take a force [tex]F[/tex] in diagram 1. You can componentize it along two perpendicular axes. Now, [tex]F\sin{(a)}[/tex] is a force directed along the vertical axis. If we now componentize THAT force along perpendicular axes, we get [tex]F\sin{(a)}\cos{(a)}[/tex] perpendicular to [tex]F[/tex].
Why is it that you cannot componentize a force component?

The second is about componentizing velocity. In special relativity, the length of an object moving at a relative speed to you is contracted. Say we have a spaceship moving diagonally, as in diagram 2. If we componentize its velocities, there are components of speed vertically and horizontally. Does this mean that those directions are also contracted?
In fact, since we can choose orthogonal components at any angle, does that mean that the only direction unaffected by length contraction will be the cross-section perpendicular to [tex]v[/tex]?
Presumably if this is right then it also affects time dilation? That would be tricky.
 

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Hi Identity! :smile:
Identity said:
The first is about how 'real' the component of a force is. Take a force [tex]F[/tex] in diagram 1. You can componentize it along two perpendicular axes. Now, [tex]F\sin{(a)}[/tex] is a force directed along the vertical axis. If we now componentize THAT force along perpendicular axes, we get [tex]F\sin{(a)}\cos{(a)}[/tex] perpendicular to [tex]F[/tex].
Why is it that you cannot componentize a force component?

You can't "componentize" a component on its own, it makes no sense.

You can "componentize" the whole original force in that direction, but you would have to "componentize" both the original components, and add the results. :wink:
In special relativity, the length of an object moving at a relative speed to you is contracted. Say we have a spaceship moving diagonally, as in diagram 2. If we componentize its velocities, there are components of speed vertically and horizontally. Does this mean that those directions are also contracted?
In fact, since we can choose orthogonal components at any angle, does that mean that the only direction unaffected by length contraction will be the cross-section perpendicular to [tex]v[/tex]?

Yes, the only direction completely unaffected by length contraction is perpendicular to v.

It is as if you squashed the whole graph along the v direction.
 
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Oh I see, if you add the other component you have [tex]F\sin{a}\cos{a}[/tex] canceling itself out!

The relativity thing is pretty cool too :]

Thanks tiny-tim
 

Related to What's the deal with force and velocity components?

1. What is the difference between force and velocity components?

The main difference between force and velocity components is that force is a vector quantity that represents the strength and direction of a physical interaction, whereas velocity components are the individual parts that make up a velocity vector.

2. How are force and velocity components related?

Force and velocity components are related through Newton's second law of motion, which states that the net force acting on an object is equal to its mass multiplied by its acceleration. This means that the force and velocity components of an object are directly proportional.

3. How do we calculate force and velocity components?

Force and velocity components can be calculated using trigonometric functions. The force component in a specific direction can be found by multiplying the total force by the cosine of the angle between the force and the chosen direction. The velocity component in a specific direction can be found by multiplying the total velocity by the sine of the angle between the velocity and the chosen direction.

4. What is the significance of understanding force and velocity components?

Understanding force and velocity components is crucial for analyzing and predicting the motion of objects. It allows us to break down a complex motion into simpler components and understand how different forces act on an object in different directions. This knowledge is essential in fields such as engineering, physics, and mechanics.

5. Can force and velocity components ever be negative?

Yes, force and velocity components can be negative. This means that they are acting in the opposite direction of the chosen coordinate system. For example, a force component in the negative x-direction would be acting towards the left, while a velocity component in the negative y-direction would be moving downwards.

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