Where are Pilot Waves located?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of Bohmian pilot waves being located in a separate vacuum region and the idea that this vacuum could contain magnetic monopoles. However, there is no scientific evidence or published research to support this idea, and it is considered overly speculative at this point. There is also no indication that Tiller's claims have been peer-reviewed or accepted by the scientific community.
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Are Bohmian pilot waves located inside spacetime? Or is it independent of the Lorenztian metric? What are the constraints or possibilities? What is the pilot wave connection to the vacuum. We have heard such a thing as false vacuum. Could pilot waves be located in a false vacuum? If this false vacuum separates itself from our vacuum... could pilot waves located in the false vacuum be composed of magnetic monopoles? Or are pilot waves completely substanceless? What are the mainstream belief and theoretical possibilities that make it consistent with the predictions of quantum mechanics?
 
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I think Bohmians are still Copenhagenist in "essence" in that the vacuum were being conceptualized in a Copenhagen sense. This is in contrast to pure Bohmians. I'll explain. Remember Dirac when he proposed about negative sea of electrons in the vacuum? This structure in the vacuum is in contrast to pure mathematical formulation which is what I meant having a Copenhagen "essence".

Now is it possible to conceptualize the pilot wave purely without any Copenhagen flavoring? Yes. One can treat the pilot wave as being in another sector of vacuum separated from the vacuum of matter. A solid state physicist Dr. William Tiller (who wrote the book "The Science of Crystallization: Macroscopic Phenomena and Defect Generation" https://www.amazon.com/dp/0521388287/?tag=pfamazon01-20) actually proposed that this separate vacuum where pilot waves were located have counterpart of our electromagnetic field, he called it magnetoelectric field where as counterpart of our matter electric charge, it has magnetic monopoles in that vacuum domain. This produce a perfect symmetry where electric charge in our matter world has its counterpart of magnetic charge (monopoles) in the pilot wave world (or vacuum). Now is there any solid arguments or theoretical reasoning why this proposal is not possible? Dr. Tiller expanded the theory to include many things but let me just focus on this main claim above because it is the meat of it. If it is refuted.. then everything falls down like domino so let's avoid his other stuff. If if you know this pilot wave in separate vacuum theory is false, then please share why so.. attack the theory.. not the personality.
 
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Very intriguing riezer. Can you point out an example of a result Tiller derives which explains effects that are not understood otherwise?

Drawing back to a Maxwellian viewpoint, EM fields are propagated because there is tension or pressure (positive or negative) of some type lying underneath the vacuum. It isn't required that that tension has only a single component or only one manifestation, especially if we are considering weak and strong forces in addition to EM.
 
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PhilDSP said:
Very intriguing riezer. Can you point out an example of a result Tiller derives which explains effects that are not understood otherwise?

Drawing back to a Maxwellian viewpoint, EM fields are propagated because there is tension or pressure (positive or negative) of some type lying underneath the vacuum. It isn't required that that tension has only a single component or only one manifestation, especially if we are considering weak and strong forces in addition to EM.


I don't know. But let's just focus on the basic idea and whether it can be refuted. The idea or symmetry that

Particle world = Electromagnetic force composing of electric monopoles
Wave (pilot wave) world = Magnetoelectric force composing of magnetic monopoles

Each of them in its own vacuum region.

Remember de Broglie when he boldly proposed that not only is photon wave-like but all matter. Before him, no one even thought about it. So could we have similar Nobel calibre thing in this this idea of magnetic monopoles populating the pilot wave vacuum world or region? Ok. Someone expert in vacuum physics or even Bohmians, please refute this by outright theoretical counterargument so we won't think about it or be bothered about it again. Thanks.
 
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Physics Forums is not in the business of refuting or discussing ideas that have not already been put forth in a peer-reviewed scientific journal. Please click the "Rules" link the top of any page here and note the section Overly Speculative Posts.

I can find no indication that Tiller has published his ideas in a peer-reviewed journal, only on his own Web site and possibly in non-academic (vanity press?) publications.
 
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FAQ: Where are Pilot Waves located?

Where are Pilot Waves located?

The concept of Pilot Waves is a theoretical framework used to explain the behavior of particles in quantum mechanics. Therefore, Pilot Waves do not have a physical location in space. Instead, they are a mathematical construct used to model the movement of particles.

Are Pilot Waves the same as matter waves?

No, Pilot Waves and matter waves are two different concepts. Matter waves, also known as de Broglie waves, describe the wave-like behavior of particles in quantum mechanics. Pilot Waves, on the other hand, are a theoretical framework used to explain the behavior of these matter waves.

How do Pilot Waves interact with particles?

Pilot Waves are proposed to interact with particles in a deterministic manner. This means that the behavior of particles can be predicted with certainty, as opposed to the probabilistic nature of traditional quantum mechanics. However, this is still a highly debated topic in the scientific community.

Do Pilot Waves exist in reality?

As a theoretical concept, Pilot Waves do not have a physical existence. However, some scientists argue that they could potentially have a physical manifestation in the future if they are proven to accurately describe the behavior of particles in quantum mechanics.

How were Pilot Waves discovered?

Pilot Waves were not discovered in the traditional sense. They were proposed by physicist Louis de Broglie in the early 20th century as a way to explain the wave-like behavior of particles. However, the concept was not widely accepted and is still a highly debated topic in the scientific community.

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