Where in the world do those elctrons go?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of electron energy levels in atoms, specifically the existence of infinite atomic energy levels. The question is posed about the number of levels a valence electron can occupy above 118 before becoming a Rydberg atom, and what determines this number. It is noted that there is no clear definition of a Rydberg atom, but as the energy levels get closer together, the electron wavefunctions approximate classical orbits. The concept of a limit is also discussed in relation to the energy levels.
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There are electron energy levels up to 118 Ununoctium. So my question is. How many levels can a valence electron occupy above 118 before there are no more levels and the atom becomes a Ryberg atom and what determines this number and is this number the same for hydrogen.
 
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There are infinite atomic energy levels in every free atom. As you approach E=0, the energy levels get very close together though.

Note: Some energy levels may have a number of electrons in them, so 118Un, in it's ground state, has fewer than 118 occupied energy levels.
 
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There is no bright line definition of a Rydberg atom.
 
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If the energy levels get closer together as l aproaches infinity isn't that pretty much the definition of a limit and if so wouldn't that limit be calculable? Realizing of course the relative effects as proton numbers increase past 118. Thereby giving limits to the ryberg effect? PS thanks for the replys.
 
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Energy levels get closer together as ##n## (the principle quantum number) approaches infinity - that is not the definition of a limit, no. You need something to take the limit of - in this case, there is an implied limit to the largest value that the energy of a bound electron can have.

Now you have a limit - and you can work it out quite easily: it's zero.
An electron with a positive energy is not bound to the atom.

It is because the energy levels get close together that the Rydberg atom electron wavefunctions approximate classical orbits like they do.

I don't know what you mean by "the Rydberg effect".
But like dauto indicates, there is no easy definition of when an atom becomes a Rydberg atom... which I suspect is what you are trying to figure out.
The energy levels just have to be close enough together to approximate a continuum - and that depends on the circumstances.
 

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