Which algebra vectors satisfy this (Trying to derive Schrödinger)

In summary, the conversation discusses the possibility of proving that the only orthonormal solution to a specific quantum mechanics problem is a complex algebra. The problem involves a vector basis labeled with two indices, and two conditions that are equivalent to the equation E=mc^2. The function V(x,t) is an arbitrary real-valued function, and the aim is to show that the vector basis must be complex numbers. However, there are some discrepancies and lack of clarity in the problem statement.
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Gerenuk
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Hi,

I was wondering why the wave-function in quantum mechanics is complex. There are a lot of threads in the physics section and I've downloaded a lot of papers, but they seem quite technical. So I'd like to examine the following idea (sorry if I use sloppy terms ;) ):

I have an orthonormal basis of vectors/functions which can be labeled with two indices [itex]f_{E,k}[/itex] and which are "two-dimensional". It's not just a column vector, but rather [itex]f_{E,k}(x,t)[/itex]. The vector algebra is undetermined (could be any linear algebra).

Now I have two conditions
[tex]k^2f_{E,k}+V(x,t)f_{E,k}=Ef_{E,k}[/tex]
[tex]\forall a: f_{E,k}(x+Ea,t+ka)=f_{E,k}(x,t)[/tex]
(btw, the second is in a way equivalent to [itex]E=mc^2[/itex])

Is it now possible to proof that the only orthonormal solution for this is a complex algebra with
[tex]f_{E,k}(x,t)=\exp(i(kx-Et))[/tex]?

Please add definitions (for scalar product and so on) as appropriate!
Or which other definitions/conditions do I need to get that complex solution uniquely?
 
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I notice he above factors k^2 and E have to be replaced by operators.

Anyway, the task is to find some axioms similar to the above, which yield the complex algebra as the only solution.
 
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What is V(x,t)? Because I have a feeling you mean something specific, not just a placeholder for an arbitrary function.
 
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Basically the above problem comes from the Schrödinger equation. Sometimes I might be missing concepts, but maybe you can add them.

The function V(x,t) is supposed to be an arbitrary real-valued function. k^2 and E are a real linear operators. So now I'm wondering which other conditions I need to add to make the vector basis of the algebraic solution isomorphic to the above complex solution.

Please formulate this more mathematically correctly whoever can. The aim is to show the vector basis must be complex numbers.
 
  • #5
what are you talking about? this barely makes sense. is english your first language?
 
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Ice, If you have trouble with both language and maths, please devote your time to complaining in other forums.
 
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It might just be me, but you have specified anything about your "K2" being a second derivative with respect to position. Also, what you are sort of writing is the time independent Schrodinger equation so having a time dependent potential function V is not correct.
 

FAQ: Which algebra vectors satisfy this (Trying to derive Schrödinger)

What are algebra vectors?

Algebra vectors are mathematical objects that represent magnitude and direction. They can be used to represent physical quantities such as velocity and force, as well as abstract concepts in mathematics such as polynomials and matrices.

What is Schrödinger's equation?

Schrödinger's equation is a fundamental equation in quantum mechanics that describes the time evolution of a quantum state. It is used to predict the behavior of quantum systems, such as the position and momentum of particles.

How is Schrödinger's equation derived?

Schrödinger's equation is derived using the principles of quantum mechanics, including the wave-particle duality of matter and the uncertainty principle. It is a mathematical representation of the physical laws that govern quantum systems.

What does it mean to satisfy Schrödinger's equation?

A set of algebra vectors satisfies Schrödinger's equation if, when plugged into the equation, it produces a solution that accurately predicts the behavior of a quantum system. This means that the vectors accurately represent the state of the system at a given time.

How are algebra vectors used in Schrödinger's equation?

In Schrödinger's equation, algebra vectors are used to represent the state of a quantum system at a given time. The equation then uses these vectors to calculate the probability of finding the system in a particular state at a future time, allowing for predictions about the behavior of the system.

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