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Well damn, that's reaally interesting. And you just whipped it off. Golly.
I knew about Hannibal and the Punic Wars probably when I was grade 6 or 7 (age 11-12). I also studied World War II campaigns, battles and weapons systems.Hornbein said:Well damn, that's reaally interesting. And you just whipped it off. Golly.
Astronuc said:I knew about Hannibal and the Punic Wars probably when I was grade 6 or 7 (age 11-12). I also studied World War II campaigns, battles and weapons systems.
Astronuc said:I enjoyed reading about and studying ancient history, but the primary school textbooks give a fairly sanitized version of history. They certainly don't cover the gory parts about the slaughter of soldiers and civilians, or the political/social motivations for war, which seems often to be about covetous, narcissistic, egoistic leaders (kings, emperors, . . . . ) and/or limited resources, e.g., copper, bronze, iron, silver, gold, arable land and agricultural products, forests/timber, fresh water resources, . . . .
Some tyrant is overthrown by another tyrant. Who cares? It didn't really change anything.BWV said:I find the lurid tales of elite politics and great battle narratives boring now and am more interested in things like climate history, trade patterns and migrations. So much is unknown due to a lack of written records - The Sea Peoples and the Bronze Age Collapse, the various forgotten bronze-age European cultures , the 10,000 year old Gobleki Teki temple in Turkey, or trade links between Rome and the Han Empire.
Abstract: The origins of the Bronze Age Minoan and Mycenaean cultures have puzzled archaeologists for more than a century. We have assembled genome-wide data from 19 ancient individuals, including Minoans from Crete, Mycenaeans from mainland Greece, and their eastern neighbours from southwestern Anatolia. Here we show that Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically similar, having at least three-quarters of their ancestry from the first Neolithic farmers of western Anatolia and the Aegean1,2, and most of the remainder from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus3 and Iran4,5. However, the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter–gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia6,7,8, introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of either the Eurasian steppe1,6,9 or Armenia4,9. Modern Greeks resemble the Mycenaeans, but with some additional dilution of the Early Neolithic ancestry. Our results support the idea of continuity but not isolation in the history of populations of the Aegean, before and after the time of its earliest civilizations.
Evo said:Thank you Greg for starting this!
A late reply to the original question , but here I go... hmm, difficult choice for me.Greg Bernhardt said:To me the Egyptians were the perfect mix of sophistication and mystery. However, that is an easy pick. I would also add in the Mongols for their music and Ancient Japan for their Samurai. Which are your favorites?
For the first time, scientists identified the Y signal in groups living outside the Amazon—in the Xavánte, who live on the Brazilian plateau in the country's center, and in Peru's Chotuna people, who descend from the Mochica civilization that occupied that country's coast from about 100 C.E. to 800 C.E.
Next, the researchers used software to test different scenarios that might have led to the current DNA dispersal. The best fit scenario involves some of the very earliest—possibly even the earliest—South American migrants carrying the Y signal with them, the researchers report today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Those migrants likely followed a coastal route, Hünemeier says, then split off into the central plateau and Amazon sometime between 15,000 and 8000 years ago. "[The data] match exactly what you'd predict if that were the case," Raff agrees.
Astronuc said:Why do Amazonian people have some Australasian DNA?
This is interesting since it had to have happened long ago - before Sumer.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2025739118
https://www.science.org/content/art...n-migrants-had-australian-melanesian-ancestry
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.18029
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/american-history-201
Terribly useful if you are a Middle Eastern time traveler, ancient historian, or a linguist specializing in Semitic languages.haushofer said:They also give courses on languages like Akkadian.
I may neither confirm or deny such.ohwilleke said:Terribly useful if you are a Middle Eastern time traveler, ancient historian, or a linguist specializing in Semitic languages.