Which Method Should Be Used to Calculate Energy in Standing Wave Formalism?

In summary, the conversation is discussing the calculation of density of states using the standing wave formalism in Modern Physics by Arthur Beiser. The question is raised about the use of different methods to transform wavelength into energy, with one using the dispersion relation for light and the other using the de Broglie equation. The two methods result in different answers and there is confusion over which one is the correct approach.
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If you have seen the treatment of calculation of density of states using standing wave formalism in Modern Physics by Arthur Beiser,
their are these observations of which i am not completely convinced,

with wavelength fixed, he transforms wavelength into energy, using firstly debroglie's equation to transform lamda into momentum. And then momentum sq= 2mE, to get E.

The question is if we are using QM , why shouldn't we just transform lamda into frequency, and then directly using hv get energy.

The two give diverse results. Where am I missing the logic?
 
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Your post is not written very well, but I think I may understand you. You can transform wavelength into frequency. My question is, how did you do this? Matter waves and light waves are different. They have different dispersion relations.
 
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well, zachzach, thanks for the reply, i will reformulate it in clearer terms..

what we are doing is calculation of density of states in a box, which comes from the blackbody radiation and also can then be imagined to be particles in a box as quantum mechanically, particles in a box has standing wave solutions.

Now, same values of energy , momentum , or wavelength can be taken up by different combinations of quantum numbers describing the wave function.

Now,

nx2 + ny2 + nz2 = (2L/[tex]\lambda[/tex])2

where L is the dimension of the box.

Density of states is given by the number of unit n volume in a shell of radius given by 2L/[tex]\lambda[/tex].

Now lamda can be changed into frequency, which he does using dispersion relation for light, ie c=[tex]\lamda[/tex]*[tex]\nu[/tex]

Next we convert this into energy, for this their can be two possibilities

1) E= h[tex]\nu[/tex]
2) straight from debroglie , get [tex]\lambda[/tex] changed to p
and then p2= 2mE to get E.

which and why?
 

FAQ: Which Method Should Be Used to Calculate Energy in Standing Wave Formalism?

What is a standing wave?

A standing wave is a type of wave that occurs when two waves of the same frequency and amplitude travel in opposite directions and interfere with each other. This results in a stationary, or "standing" pattern.

How is a standing wave calculated in a box?

The calculation of a standing wave in a box involves determining the resonant frequencies of the box, which are the frequencies at which standing waves can form. This can be done using the formula v = (nλ)/2L, where v is the speed of the wave, n is the number of nodes (points of no displacement), λ is the wavelength, and L is the length of the box.

What factors affect the standing wave pattern in a box?

The standing wave pattern in a box is affected by the length of the box, the speed of the wave, and the boundary conditions of the box (i.e. whether it is open or closed at the ends). Additionally, the frequency and amplitude of the waves also play a role in the standing wave pattern.

How is the wavelength of a standing wave in a box related to the length of the box?

The wavelength of a standing wave in a box is directly proportional to the length of the box. This means that as the length of the box increases, the wavelength of the standing wave also increases. Similarly, if the length of the box decreases, the wavelength of the standing wave decreases.

What are some real-world applications of standing waves in boxes?

Standing waves in boxes have various applications in fields such as acoustics, telecommunications, and electronics. For example, standing waves in musical instruments such as guitars and flutes produce distinct sounds, and standing waves in microwave ovens help evenly distribute heat for cooking. In telecommunications, standing waves are used in devices like waveguides and antennas to transmit and receive signals. They are also used in electronic circuits to filter out specific frequencies.

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