Which one is a correct statement about oscillation?

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Homework Statement
Please see below
Relevant Equations
Simple Harmonic Motion
##a=-\omega^2 x##
##F=m.a##
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The answer is (C), but in my opinion all options are wrong:
(A) is wrong because at X and Y the net force is maximum, not zero
(B) is wrong because the direction of net force can be in opposite direction to velocity
(C) is wrong because at the middle (equilibrium point) the acceleration is zero
(D) is wrong because they are not directly proportional

Why is (C) correct?

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songoku said:
(C) is wrong because at the middle (equilibrium point) the acceleration is zero
Be careful. Can a particle have nonzero acceleration at an instant when its speed is not changing?
 
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A pendulum will approximate simple harmonic motion only for small oscillations. The problem statement does not indicate small oscillations. So, you cannot assume the motion is simple harmonic. Nevertheless, you should be able to argue that only (C) is correct.
 
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songoku said:
(A) is wrong because at X and Y the net force is maximum, not zero
You are correct that the net force is not zero at X or Y. (However, for large enough oscillations the net force will not be maximum at these two points.)

Can you explain why the net force can't be zero at X or Y?
 
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songoku said:
(B) is wrong because the direction of net force can be in opposite direction to velocity
As @TSny points out, you should not be assuming SHM here.
songoku said:
(D) is wrong because they are not directly proportional
That’s like saying it's wrong because it’s wrong.
 
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songoku said:
(B) is wrong because the direction of net force can be in opposite direction to velocity
The net force on the bob will never have a direction opposite to the velocity direction.

Try to see why the net acceleration and velocity never have opposite directions for the pendulum. (However, for small oscillations, they can be approximately opposite.)
 
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songoku said:
(C) is wrong because at the middle (equilibrium point) the acceleration is zero
A pendulum bob moves continuously along a circular arc between two turning points. Can you provide a simple argument why an object in continuous motion along a curved path must necessarily have non zero acceleration? The argument works for any curved path, not only a circular arc.

Oscillating_pendulum.gif
This animation from the pendulum Wikipedia article is quite informative. Note the relation between the acceleration and the velocity directions. You can also see that the velocity goes through zero at the turning points. However, the acceleration is never zero.

Something is zero at the lowest point of the motion, but it is not the net force. What quantity (other than the angular displacement ##\theta##) is it?

Edited for typo, see post #9.
 
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TSny said:
A pendulum will approximate simple harmonic motion only for small oscillations. The problem statement does not indicate small oscillations. So, you cannot assume the motion is simple harmonic. Nevertheless, you should be able to argue that only (C) is correct.
haruspex said:
As @TSny points out, you should not be assuming SHM here.
TSny said:
Be careful. Can a particle have nonzero acceleration at an instant when its speed is not changing?
Ah ok, so that's my mistake.

Since this is not SHM, so the motion of the bob can't be taken as straight horizontal line but will be an arc so I think there will be two accelerations; one is from the restoring force and one is centripetal acceleration

At the middle, the acceleration from restoring force is zero but there is centripetal acceleration so even though the speed is not changing, the acceleration is non zero.

haruspex said:
That’s like saying it's wrong because it’s wrong.
It is because when velocity is increasing, acceleration is decreasing so they are not directly proportional.

TSny said:
You are correct that the net force is not zero at X or Y. (However, for large enough oscillations the net force will not be maximum at these two points.)

Can you explain why the net force can't be zero at X or Y?
The net force can't be zero at X or Y because there will be restoring force pulling the pendulum back to opposite direction but I don't know why the force is not maximum at X or Y

TSny said:
The net force on the bob will never have a direction opposite to the velocity direction.

Try to see why the net acceleration and velocity never have opposite directions for the pendulum. (However, for small oscillations, they can be approximately opposite.)
I think the answer is in the diagram posted by @kuruman

kuruman said:
A pendulum bob moves continuously along a circular arc between two turning points. Can you provide a simple argument why an object in continuous motion along a curved path must necessarily have zero acceleration? The argument works for any curved path, not only a circular arc.
Maybe you mean "must necessarily have non-zero acceleration"?

I suppose the reason is because the direction of motion is changing so velocity is changing. Rate of change of velocity is acceleration

kuruman said:
Something is zero at the lowest point of the motion, but it is not the net force. What quantity (other than the angular displacement ##\theta##) is it?
Gravitational potential energy?
 
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songoku said:
Maybe you mean "must necessarily have non-zero acceleration"?
Yes. that's what I meant. I fixed the typo. Thanks for the catch and sorry about the confusion.
songoku said:
Gravitational potential energy?
The zero of gravitational potential is arbitrary and can be chosen anywhere. What two vector quantities must be zero for an object to be in equilibrium? One is the net force. What is the other one?
 
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The author of the question was likely thinking (correctly) that the tangential component of the acceleration is zero at the equilibrium point and wasn't thinking about the nonzero centripetal component. It's a common error.
 
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songoku said:
It is because when velocity is increasing, acceleration is decreasing so they are not directly proportional.
As written, this is not exactly correct.

Linear damping (e.g. simple viscous drag) is a case where acceleration becomes increasingly negative as velocity becomes increasingly positive.

That said, an observation that the magnitude of velocity is increasing while the magnitude of acceleration is decreasing does indicate a lack of direct proportionality.
 
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songoku said:
Since this is not SHM, so the motion of the bob can't be taken as straight horizontal line but will be an arc so I think there will be two accelerations; one is from the restoring force and one is centripetal acceleration

At the middle, the acceleration from restoring force is zero but there is centripetal acceleration so even though the speed is not changing, the acceleration is non zero.
Yes.

songoku said:
The net force can't be zero at X or Y because there will be restoring force pulling the pendulum back to opposite direction
Yes.

songoku said:
but I don't know why the force is not maximum at X or Y

Take an extreme case where the bob is released with the string horizontal. Use energy conservation to find the speed at the bottom of the swing. Compare the centripetal acceleration at the bottom to the acceleration at X or Y. Compare the net force on the bob at X to the net force at the bottom.
 
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