Why are there stars that are "older than the universe"?

In summary, there are objects like the Methuselah Star that have projected ages older than the calculated age of the universe. This is due to the uncertainty and large error margins in estimating the ages of stars. It is not a quirk in the calculation process or a result of relativity, but rather a combination of parameters that can cause high error margins in the age estimates. Overall, the age of stars is less certain than the age of the universe, and the error bars overlap in a range that is widely accepted by scientists.
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I'm just wondering why there exist objects like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_140283 (The Methuselah Star) that have projected ages older than the projected age of the universe itself. That, where does the conflict between the age of these very old stars and the calculated age of the universe come from?

Is it a quirk in how star ages are computed, like that these stars are somehow anomalous in their content of gas and other chemicals in relation to their size and luminosity in a way that would interfere with the calculation? Or is there some kind of relativity weirdness that allows for the existence of objects "older" than the universe itself (the star was moving very fast, or was in a very high mass-density region, or was moving in such a way that its redshift interfered with observations)?

Please help me, I'm very confused.
 
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The explanation is given in the wiki article you quote... there are big uncertainties on cosmological scale measurements. Also see.
http://www.armaghplanet.com/blog/the-star-older-than-the-universe.html
 
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Basically, it's really really hard to estimate the ages of stars. The errors on the ages are large, and generally include the measured age of our universe within the errors. Note this sentence from the Wiki page you linked:

"Due to the uncertainty in the value, this age for the star does not conflict with the age of the Universe determined by the Planck satellite, 13.798 ± 0.037."

Because the error bars on stellar ages are so large, that a few would be measured to be older than our universe is expected. If we were able to reduce the errors on the ages of these stars, the discrepancy would almost certainly disappear.
 
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We can't know the exact age of a star, best we can do is make an estimate based on composition, mass, and apparent state of progress in the HR diagram.
The estimates are based on models which for most stars produce a credible result.
It's not relativity weirdness here, just an unusual combination of parameters in this case which are causing the models to produce results with a high error margin.
 
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The age of stars is less certain than the age of the universe, as has already been pointed out. The error bars overlap in a range comfortable to most scientists.
 

FAQ: Why are there stars that are "older than the universe"?

What does it mean for a star to be "older than the universe"?

This concept is based on the age of the universe, which is estimated to be around 13.8 billion years old. So, if a star is considered to be "older than the universe," it means that its age is greater than the estimated age of the universe.

How is it possible for a star to be "older than the universe"?

There are a few potential explanations for this phenomenon. One possibility is that the star formed from the remnants of a previous universe that existed before our own. Another explanation could be that the estimated age of the universe is incorrect and the star is actually younger than initially thought. Lastly, it is also possible that our understanding of the formation and evolution of stars is incomplete and there are factors we have yet to discover that can affect a star's age.

Which stars are considered to be "older than the universe"?

There are a few known stars that are theorized to be older than the universe, such as HE 1523-0901 and SMSS J031300.36-670839.3. These stars are known as "Population III" stars, which are believed to have formed shortly after the Big Bang.

Why do scientists believe that some stars are "older than the universe"?

Scientists use various methods to estimate the age of the universe, such as studying the cosmic microwave background radiation and the expansion rate of the universe. However, these methods have limitations and uncertainties, leading to the possibility that the estimated age of the universe may not be entirely accurate. Additionally, as mentioned before, our understanding of the formation and evolution of stars is still evolving, leaving room for the possibility of "older than the universe" stars.

What impact does the existence of "older than the universe" stars have on our understanding of the universe?

The existence of "older than the universe" stars challenges our current understanding of the universe and its origins. It prompts scientists to question and further study the formation and evolution of stars, as well as the accuracy of our current methods for estimating the age of the universe. It also highlights the vastness and complexity of the universe, reminding us that there is still much to discover and understand about our universe and its beginnings.

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