Why Do Solutions to This ODE Differ?

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In summary, the conversation discusses a differential equation and its solution attempt. The equation is transformed using substitutions and partial fractions to make it easier to solve. Alternative solutions are also presented, with the main focus on finding a particular solution that is different from the one in the book.
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\(\displaystyle \[y'sin(x)= yln(y)\]

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Hi, I am trying to solve this one but i can't find the same result of the book:
Here is my solution:

 
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[tex]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{dy}{dx}\sin{(x)} &= y\ln{(y)} \\ \frac{1}{y\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{1}{\sin{(x)}} \\ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{\sin{(x)}}{\sin^2{(x)}} \\ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}} \\ \int{\frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx}\,dx} &= \int{\frac{\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}}\,dx} \\ \int{ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,dy} &= -\int{ \frac{-\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}}\,dx} \end{align*}[/tex]

Now make the substitutions [tex]\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \ln{(y)} \implies du = \frac{1}{y}\,dy \end{align*}[/tex] and [tex]\displaystyle \begin{align*} v = \cos{(x)} \implies dv = -\sin{(x)}\,dx \end{align*}[/tex] and the DE becomes

[tex]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{\frac{1}{u}\,du} &= -\int{ \frac{1}{1 - v^2}\,dv} \end{align*}[/tex]

This should now be easy to solve. The RHS requires partial fractions.
 
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[tex]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \frac{dy}{dx}\sin{(x)} &= y\ln{(y)} \\ \frac{1}{y\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{1}{\sin{(x)}} \\ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{\sin{(x)}}{\sin^2{(x)}} \\ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}} \\ \int{\frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,\frac{dy}{dx}\,dx} &= \int{\frac{\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}}\,dx} \\ \int{ \frac{1}{\ln{(y)}}\,\frac{1}{y}\,dy} &= -\int{ \frac{-\sin{(x)}}{1 - \cos^2{(x)}}\,dx} \end{align*}[/tex]

Now make the substitutions [tex]\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \ln{(y)} \implies du = \frac{1}{y}\,dy \end{align*}[/tex] and [tex]\displaystyle \begin{align*} v = \cos{(x)} \implies dv = -\sin{(x)}\,dx \end{align*}[/tex] and the DE becomes

[tex]\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int{\frac{1}{u}\,du} &= -\int{ \frac{1}{1 - v^2}\,dv} \end{align*}[/tex]

This should now be easy to solve. The RHS requires partial fractions.

Alternatively, you could have that

$$\begin{aligned} \frac{1}{y\ln y}\frac{dy}{dx} &= \csc x\\ \frac{1}{y\ln y}\frac{dy}{dx} &= \csc x \cdot \frac{\csc x + \cot x}{\csc x+\cot x}\\ \frac{1}{y\ln y}\frac{dy}{dx} &= \frac{\csc^2x + \csc x\cot x}{\csc x + \cot x}\\ \int\frac{1}{y\ln y}\,dy &= -\int\frac{-\csc^2x-\csc x\cot x}{\csc x+\cot x}\,dx\end{aligned}$$

Making the substitutions $u=\ln y\implies \,du=\frac{1}{y}\,dy$ and $v=\csc x+\cot x \implies \,dv = -\csc^2x-\csc x\cot x\,dx$ transforms the problem into
$$\int\frac{1}{u}\,du = -\int\frac{1}{v}\,dv$$
which is an easy problem to solve from here. The reason why I also present it this way is because the OP seems to be relying on the fact that $\displaystyle\int \csc x \,dx = -\ln|\csc x + \cot x| + C$ in the solution attempt seen in their original post.
 
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Actually the problem isn't solve the integral, as you can see in my link "
" with my solution i found a particular solution that isn't the same of book: "y = 1".
 
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Based on my calculation, the solution to this ODE PVI is y(x) = e^(sin(x)). However, I noticed that the book's solution is different (y(x) = e^(cos(x))). I double checked my work and could not find any errors. Can you please explain why our solutions differ?

Hi there,

Thank you for sharing your solution. After reviewing your work, I believe your solution is correct. The book's solution may be a typo or an alternate form of the solution. It is common to have multiple forms for the same solution in mathematics. As long as your solution satisfies the original ODE, it is considered correct.

Great job on solving this ODE PVI! Keep up the good work.
 

FAQ: Why Do Solutions to This ODE Differ?

How do you solve a first-order ODE PVI?

Solving a first-order ODE PVI involves finding a function that satisfies the given differential equation and initial conditions. This can be done using methods such as separation of variables, integrating factors, and substitution.

What is the general solution of a first-order ODE PVI?

The general solution of a first-order ODE PVI is a family of functions that satisfy the differential equation and can be obtained by integrating the differential equation. It includes a constant of integration that can be determined using the given initial conditions.

Can you use the given initial conditions to find a particular solution?

Yes, the given initial conditions can be used to determine the constant of integration in the general solution, resulting in a particular solution that satisfies both the differential equation and the initial conditions.

Is there a specific method for solving ODE PVI of the form y'sin(x)= yln(y)?

There is no specific method for solving this particular form of ODE PVI. However, it can be solved using separation of variables or substitution by treating the expression ysin(x) as a single variable.

Can ODE PVI problems have multiple solutions?

Yes, ODE PVI problems can have multiple solutions. This is because the general solution of a first-order ODE includes a constant of integration, which can result in infinitely many solutions depending on the given initial conditions.

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