Why Does 1/3 ln((x+1/3)) Seem Incorrect for the Integral of 1/(3x+1)?

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The discussion centers on the integral of 1/(3x+1) and the confusion surrounding the expression 1/3 ln(x+1/3). The correct approach involves recognizing that 1/(3x+1) can be rewritten as (1/3)(1/(x+1/3) and using substitution u=x+1/3. The key point is that while the expressions 1/3 ln(x+1/3) and ln(3x+1) may appear different, they are equivalent up to an arbitrary constant in the context of indefinite integrals. The conversation emphasizes the importance of careful notation and understanding when working with integrals, especially regarding the role of constants.
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alingy1 said:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integral+of+1/(3x+1)=1/3ln(x+1/3)

Why is 1/3 ln((x+1/3)) not right?

1/(3x+1)=(1/3)(1/(x+1/3))

Use substitution u=x+1/3, du=dx.

Why is this wrong?

##\frac{1}{3 ln(x+1/3)}## isn't right. ##\frac{1}{3} ln(x+1/3)## is right. Which one are your trying to write anyway? Use parentheses if you don't want to use TeX!
 
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Yes, the latter is the one! But, the computer program says it is wrong! Am I going crazy?
 
the wolfram alpha input (link) was: integral of 1/(3x+1)=1/3ln(x+1/3)
the output actually tells you why they think this relation is false.

Namely: ##\ln\big(3x+1\big)\neq\ln\big(x+\frac{1}{3}\big)##

But it doesn't have to be - equal, that is - since this is an indefinite integral, the two proposed solutions need only be the same to within an arbitrary constant. This is easy to show:

##\ln[x+\frac{1}{3}]=\ln[\frac{1}{3}(3x+1)]=\ln[3x+1]-\ln(3) = \ln[3x+1]+c##

... you have to be careful with indefinite integrals.
 
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Awesome! That's what's been missing! I spent an hour just on this!
 
Don't trust the machines.

You could have seen their result by using the substitution u=3x+1.
 
Exactly, both are two acceptable results!
 

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