Why Does Minimizing the Action Describe the Path of a System?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the definition of the Lagrangian in mathematics and Hamilton's Principle, which states that the path of a conservative system is the one that minimizes the action, represented by the integral over time of the Lagrangian. The action can be viewed as a weighted sum of all possible configurations in energy-space and nature "chooses" the path that minimizes it. The principle has a long history, starting with Fermat's proposal of light following the path of least time, and later developed by Maupertius, Euler, Lagrange, and Hamilton.
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Hi,
so today in maths we defined the Lagrangian as [tex]L = T-V[/tex] and stated Hamilton's Principle, which says that the actual path of a conservative system is the one which minimises the action

[tex]A(q)=\int^{t_{2}}_{t_{1}}L dt[/tex].

I'm a bit confused about this. What does the action represent in physical terms? Also, why on Earth would minimising the integral of [tex]L=T-V[/tex] result in the path which nature 'chooses'? How did Hamilton come up with this and why do we think it works (other than the fact it agrees with experiments!)?

Many thanks :D
 
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that is a postulate!

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just as the postulates of special relativity

the action is integral over time of the Lagrangian, nothing more nothing less.. it can be viewed as a weigthed sum over all possible configurations in energy-space, the path nature "choose" is the one that minimizes the action, i.e. the solution for the Euler-Lagrange equations
 
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Try this - it's probably the best explanation you will find.

http://decision.csl.illinois.edu/~yima/psfile/ECE553/FeynmanLecturesOnPhysicsChapter2-19.pdf
 
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epsilonjon said:
why on Earth would minimising the integral of [tex]L=T-V[/tex] result in the path which nature 'chooses'? ... (other than the fact it agrees with experiments!)?
Warning: this is a non-scientific answer, but since you specifically exclude experiment I get the impression that you want a non-scientific answer.

Basically, that action is minimized by nature being lazy (anthropomorphizing). If nature can go from A to B in a variety of ways then the way it chooses is the one where it has the least kinetic energy and the most potential energy. Lazy. Think of throwing a baseball up. It spends as much time as high (most PE) and as slow (least KE) as possible.
 
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If you read up on the history of this principle, you'll find that the principle of minimizing action has an interesting story. It starts way back with Fermat proposing that light, as a ray, follows a path of least time.

Then, later in the 1700s, Maupertius introduced a theorem at the time which was the earliest predecessor of the principle of least action. Based on Fermat's principle, he proposed that particles follow a path such that the product of the mass times the velocity times the distance would be minimized. This didn't always work and didn't get as much attention back then.

Much later, after Euler developed variational calculus, Lagrange applied this theory to mechanics. Hence the resulting equation of minimizing action is called the Euler-Lagrange equation. Following him, Hamilton worked on mechanics too, writing what is now known as Hamilton's Least Action principle. The rest is what you see before you in a math class. For a more detailed version of the history, look the science book discussion forum. You'll find lots of interesting links there. Have fun!
 
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The link given by Phyzguy is not working. Is there an alternate?
 
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Ch. 19 of Feynman's Lectures (vol. 2)

patrickd said:
The link given by Phyzguy is not working. Is there an alternate?
It's just http://www.scribd.com/doc/6007778/Feynman-Lectures-on-Physics-Volume-2#outer_page_224" .
 
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Related to Why Does Minimizing the Action Describe the Path of a System?

1. What is the Lagrangian?

The Lagrangian is a mathematical function that describes the dynamics of a physical system. It is defined as the difference between the kinetic energy and potential energy of the system.

2. What is the significance of the Lagrangian?

The Lagrangian provides a powerful tool for analyzing and predicting the behavior of physical systems. It allows for the formulation of the equations of motion, which describe how a system will evolve over time.

3. How is the Lagrangian related to action?

The Lagrangian is related to action through a principle known as the principle of least action. This principle states that the path a system takes between two points in time is the one that minimizes the action, which is the integral of the Lagrangian over time.

4. What is the difference between action and the Lagrangian?

Action and the Lagrangian are closely related but distinct concepts. Action is a property of a physical system, while the Lagrangian is a mathematical function used to describe that system. The Lagrangian can be thought of as a tool for calculating the action of a system.

5. How is the Lagrangian used in physics?

The Lagrangian is used in physics to study a wide range of physical systems, from simple pendulums to complex quantum mechanical systems. It allows for the calculation of the equations of motion and the prediction of how a system will behave under different conditions.

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