Why does the second term disappear in the tangent vector equation?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between tangent vectors and the Levi-Civita connection. It is noted that the commutator of the partials is zero in a coordinate basis, and the second term in the equation can be cancelled out by using the fact that the Christoffel symbols are symmetric in their lower indices. This leads to the conclusion that the second term disappears and the derivative of the vector basis is zero in a local Lorentz frame. The conversation ends with gratitude and blessings exchanged between the participants.
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It is the last part that I am having trouble understanding. It says that if u and w are tangent vectors then,


[tex]\nabla_{\bold{u}}\bold{w} - \nabla_{\bold{w}}\bold{u} = [\bold{u},\bold{w}][/tex].​

Now,


[tex][\bold{u},\bold{w}] = \partial_{\bold{u}}\partial_{\bold{w}} - \partial_{\bold{w}}\partial_{\bold{u}} = (u^\beta\,v^{\alpha}_{,\beta} - v^\beta\,u^{\alpha}_{,\beta})\bold{e}_\alpha[/tex].

But,


[tex]\nabla_{\bold{u}}\bold{w} - \nabla_{\bold{w}}\bold{u} = (u^\beta\,w^{\alpha}_{,\beta} - w^\beta\,u^{\alpha}_{,\beta})\bold{e}_\alpha + (u^\beta\,w^{\alpha} - w^\beta\,u^{\alpha})\bold{e}_{\alpha}_{,\beta}[/tex].

So how do I reason that the second term disappears? Is the derivative of the vector basis zero b/c this is in a local Lorentz frame? In other words, there are no correction terms??

Thanks in advance for any help you may give me.

-LD
 
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Work in coordinate basis [tex]e_\alpha=\partial_\alpha[/tex]. Use the fact that the Levi-Civita connection is symmetric and
[tex]\nabla_\alpha e_\beta = ...[/tex]
 
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arkajad said:
Work in coordinate basis [tex]e_\alpha=\partial_\alpha[/tex]. Use the fact that the Levi-Civita connection is symmetric and
[tex]\nabla_\alpha e_\beta = ...[/tex]
[1] By "Levi-Civita connection" do you mean:
a) the "connection coefficients" aka
b) the affine connection aka
c) the Christoffel symbols??[2] In a coordinate basis, the commutator of the partials is zero. The second term is not a commutator of the partials - but of the components of the respective vectors. So it can't be canceled out.[3] Finally, [tex]\nabla_{\alpha}\,\bold{e}_{\beta}[/tex] is the connection coefficient, [tex]\Gamma^{\mu}_{\alpha\beta}\bold{e}_{\mu}[/tex]. So then the other term would be: [tex]\nabla_{\beta}\,\bold{e}_{\alpha} = \Gamma^{\mu}_{\beta\alpha}\bold{e}_{\mu}[/tex] ... which when subtracted - and since the Christoffel symbols are symmetric in their lower indices - would then make the second term cancel out!

So I was too quick to match dummy indices with these two terms! Yes?? (If so thanks dude!)-LD
 
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"would then make the second term cancel out"
Just remeber: if [tex]A^{\alpha\beta}[/tex] is antisymmetric and [tex]B_{\alpha\beta}[/tex] is symmetric, then [tex]A^{\alpha\beta}B_{\alpha\beta}=0[/tex].
 
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arkajad said:
"would then make the second term cancel out"
Just remeber: if [tex]A^{\alpha\beta}[/tex] is antisymmetric and [tex]B_{\alpha\beta}[/tex] is symmetric, then [tex]A^{\alpha\beta}B_{\alpha\beta}=0[/tex].

Yes! the (uw-wu) is anti-symmetric in a,b and the e_a,b is symmetric in a,b. That's a good one to remember.

Thanks for all your kind help and patience with me. May God richly bless you, in Jesus' name, amen.


-joe
 

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