Why Does the Trollpi Calculation Not Equal 1?

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In summary, the conversation discusses the flaw in a problem involving a shape that converges to a circle. The conversation includes using a new definition of arclength in the first quadrant and integrating the result, but the output is not the expected 1. After further analysis, it is determined that the solution was incorrect due to the omission of a negative sign.
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If you don't know what trollpi is, you can see it here:

http://qntm.org/files/trollpi/piequals4.png [1]

It seems to me that the flaw in this problem is that while the shape may converge to a circle, the way you measure the perimeter is ds=dx+dy=1+(dy/dx) not ds=sqrt(1+(dy/dx)^2 )dx as usual. So I tried using this new definition of the arclength in the first quadrant with r=0.5 and integrating expecting to get 1. I put the following into mathematica:

Integrate[1 - x/Sqrt[0.25 - x^2], {x, 0, 0.5}]

This did not give me 1. Can someone explain why?
 
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I think I may have figured out an answer to this. I started thinking that possibly the reason this is not 1 is because dy and dx can be positive or negative, so not all pieces of the arclength would add -- some would subtract. So I tried to do this

Integrate[Sqrt[(1 - x/Sqrt[1/4 - x62])2], {x, 0, 1/2}]

This was not correct either, however, since what I had effectively done was make ds=|dy + dx|. What I really needed was |dy|+|dx|=ds. Realizing that in quadrant I dy/dx was always negative all I needed to do was to flip the sign in my original integral. Plugging in

Integrate[1 + x/Sqrt[0.25 - x^2 ], {x, 0, 0.5}]

gave me 1, like I was expecting. It seems that my analysis was wrong because I effectively dropped a negative.

If someone could confirm that this makes sense, it would be appreciated.
 

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