Why doesn't the gravity affect the torque along the z axis?

In summary, the author argues that gravity does not exert a torque on an axle due to the normal force. The author is not sure why this is the case, but hypothesizes that it might be due to the cross product of distance and force being undefined.
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Physicslearner1
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I understand in general the argument of the problem, the only thing which I'm not sure of is why the gravity doesn't affect the torque. My guess is that it gets canceled by the normal force that is applied on the axle but I'm not 100 % sure.

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Can gravity exert a torque in the z-direction?
 
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kuruman said:
Can gravity exert a torque in the z-direction?
Why couldn't it ? Torque is defined as the cross product of the distance from the origin and the net force, right ?
 
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Physicslearner1 said:
Torque is defined as the cross product of the distance from the origin and the net force, right ?
Almost. Distance is a scalar, not a vector. If force ##\vec{F}## is applied at position vector ##\vec{r}##, the torque about the origin is ##\vec{r} \times \vec{F}##.

What is the direction of the torque if the force is gravity?
 
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kuruman said:
Almost. Distance is a scalar, not a vector. If force ##\vec{F}## is applied at position vector ##\vec{r}##, the torque about the origin is ##\vec{r} \times \vec{F}##.

What is the direction of the torque if the force is gravity?
135 degrees in the xy plane ?
 
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The angle is unimportant. What matters is that the torque is in the xy plane. In what direction is the angular momentum of the wheel?
 
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Physicslearner1 said:
Torque is defined as the cross product of the distance [correction by Kuruman: displacement] from the origin and the net force, right ?
And what is the angle between the vector product and each of the original vectors?
 
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haruspex said:
And what is the angle between the vector product and each of the original vectors?
It's perpendicular to both of them
 
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Physicslearner1 said:
It's perpendicular to both of them
Right. And the force of gravity is in the z direction, so any torque it exerts must be at right angles to the z direction.
 
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haruspex said:
Right. And the force of gravity is in the z direction, so any torque it exerts must be at right angles to the z direction.
Ok, but I'm still not sure of understanding why torque is disregarded.
 
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In what direction is the torque?
In what direction is the angular momentum?
What is the direction in which the angular momentum can change?
How is the torque vector related to the change of angular momentum vector?
 
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Physicslearner1 said:
Ok, but I'm still not sure of understanding why torque is disregarded.
For the moment, suppose the turntable is stationary. We drop a lump of putty on one edge. This exerts a torque about a horizontal axis. Will the turntable tip? Why not?
 

FAQ: Why doesn't the gravity affect the torque along the z axis?

Why doesn't the gravity affect the torque along the z axis?

The torque along the z axis is not affected by gravity because gravity is a conservative force, meaning that it does not cause any rotational motion. Torque, on the other hand, is a measure of the rotational force applied to an object. Therefore, the direction and magnitude of torque are determined by the applied force and the object's moment of inertia, not by gravity.

How does the direction of gravity affect the torque along the z axis?

The direction of gravity does not affect the torque along the z axis because torque is a vector quantity and is dependent on the direction of the applied force and the distance from the axis of rotation. The direction of gravity only determines the direction of the force acting on the object, not the direction of torque.

Can torque along the z axis be affected by the mass of an object?

Yes, the mass of an object can affect the torque along the z axis. Torque is directly proportional to the mass of an object, meaning that the greater the mass, the greater the torque. However, the mass alone does not determine the torque, as the distance from the axis of rotation also plays a crucial role.

Why does the torque along the z axis remain constant even when the object is in motion?

The torque along the z axis remains constant because it is a measure of the net rotational force acting on an object. As long as the applied force and the distance from the axis of rotation remain the same, the torque will remain constant, regardless of the object's motion. This is known as the conservation of angular momentum.

How does the shape of an object affect the torque along the z axis?

The shape of an object can affect the torque along the z axis in two ways. Firstly, the moment of inertia, which is a measure of an object's resistance to rotational motion, varies with the shape of the object. A larger moment of inertia will require a greater torque to cause rotational motion. Secondly, the shape of an object can affect the distance from the axis of rotation, which is a crucial factor in determining the magnitude of torque.

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