Why don't we consider ##E_{com}## while solving a two body problem?

In summary, while studying the interaction of two particles, such as a Hydrogen atom, using center of mass and relative coordinates can reduce the problem into two independent parts with separate energy eigenvalue equations. The total energy of the system is the sum of these two. However, in further studies, the energy contribution of the center of mass is not considered and the focus is on the relative Hamiltonian. This is because in experiments, the energy is mostly determined by the electron's energy level and any corrections due to the atom's recoil can be calculated. In astronomy, the measured wavelengths may be affected by the redshift caused by relative velocity, and in the laboratory, the Doppler effect from translational motion can cause a widening of spectral lines.
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While studying two interacting particles such as a Hydrogen atom, I learned how to reduce the problem into two independent parts by using center of mass coordinates and the relative coordinates.

The resulting two independent energy eigenvalue equations give me two eigenvalues for energy as:
##\begin{aligned} H_{C M} \psi_{C M}(\mathbf{R}) &=E_{C M} \psi_{C M}(\mathbf{R}) \\ H_{r e l} \psi_{r e l}(\mathbf{r}) &=E_{r e l} \psi_{r e l}(\mathbf{r}) \end{aligned}##

The total energy of the system is the sum of these two.

However while studying ahead, the energy contribution of centre of mass Hamiltonian was never considered again and all the talk was about the energy eigenvalue we get from the relative Hamiltonian.

Why is this so? Why don't we consider the other part? If we measure the energy in the laboratory, what result will I get, the total energy as a sum of two parts or the relative one?

Thank you.
 
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However while studying ahead, the energy contribution of centre of mass Hamiltonian was never considered again and all the talk was about the energy eigenvalue we get from the relative Hamiltonian.

Why is this so? Why don't we consider the other part? If we measure the energy in the laboratory, what result will I get, the total energy as a sum of two parts or the relative one?

Thank you.
If a hydrogen atom undergoes a transition by absorbing or emitting a photon, then the energy is almost entirely the difference in the electron's energy level.

You could calculate for yourself a small correction by considering the atom recoiling by conservation of momentum.

That said, in astronomy, the redshift due to relative velocity of the source and detector affects the measured wavelengths.
 
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In the laboratory, there is also a widening of the spectral lines due to the Doppler effect caused by the translational motion of the atoms.
 
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FAQ: Why don't we consider ##E_{com}## while solving a two body problem?

What is the two-body problem in physics?

The two-body problem refers to the classical problem of predicting the motion of two celestial bodies that interact with each other through gravitational forces. The solutions typically involve determining their positions and velocities over time based on their initial conditions and the laws of motion and gravitation.

What does ##E_{com}## represent in the context of the two-body problem?

##E_{com}##, or the center of mass energy, represents the total energy of a system as observed from the center of mass frame. It accounts for the kinetic and potential energies of both bodies, but in the context of solving the two-body problem, it is often not explicitly considered because the focus is on relative motion rather than absolute motion.

Why is the center of mass frame often preferred in the two-body problem?

The center of mass frame simplifies the analysis of the two-body problem by reducing it to a one-body problem. In this frame, one body is stationary, and the other moves relative to it. This approach allows for easier calculations of trajectories and interactions since only the relative position and velocity between the two bodies need to be considered.

Does ignoring ##E_{com}## affect the accuracy of the two-body problem solutions?

Ignoring ##E_{com}## does not affect the accuracy of the solutions for the relative motion between the two bodies. The fundamental laws governing their interactions remain the same, and the calculations focus on their relative positions and velocities, which are sufficient to predict their motion accurately.

When should ##E_{com}## be considered in celestial mechanics?

##E_{com}## should be considered when analyzing the overall energy of the system, especially in scenarios involving more than two bodies, or when dealing with energy transfers, such as in collisions or inelastic interactions. In such cases, understanding the total energy and momentum of the system becomes crucial for accurate predictions and insights.

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