Why is continuity necessary before applying the Extreme Value Theorem?

In summary, the conversation discusses the question of whether ##f(2.999999999) ≥ f(x)## and the reasoning behind it, noting that this statement is not valid due to the value not being in the domain. The conversation also touches on the use of the extreme value theorem and the importance of continuity in applying it.
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Homework Statement
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Why cannot we say that ##f(2.999999999) ≥ f(x)## and therefore absolute max at f(2.99999999999999) (without reasoning from the extreme value theorem)?

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Homework Statement: Please see below
Relevant Equations: Please see below

For this problem,
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Why cannot we say that ##f(2.999999999) ≥ f(x)## and therefore absolute max at f(2.99999999999999) (without reasoning from the extreme value theorem)?

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We get always a higher value with every 9 we add.

3 is a supremum (lowest higher boundary) of the function, but not a maximum (highest value).
 
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ChiralSuperfields said:
Why cannot we say that ##f(2.999999999) ≥ f(x)## and therefore absolute max at f(2.99999999999999) (without reasoning from the extreme value theorem)?
You are confusing the function value with a value in the domain. 2.9999999 is not even in the domain.

With that correction, your question becomes "Why cannot we say that ##f(0.999999999) ≥ f(x)##?
Note that there are values of x closer to 1 than 0.99999999, so for those x-values, f(x) > f(0999999999).
In case you aren't aware, the extreme value theorem doesn't apply here, as far as a maximum value is concerned. The necessary condition is that the function must be continuous on a closed bounded interval. The graph of the left branch of the function is continuous only on the half-open interval [0, 1) and is discontinuous at x = 1.
 
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What part of the problem states that the Extreme Value Theorem is required to prove the problem statements? This example shows that continuity is required before the Extreme Value Theorem can be applied. I suspect that you have misunderstood the point of the example.
 
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Related to Why is continuity necessary before applying the Extreme Value Theorem?

What is the Extreme Value Theorem?

The Extreme Value Theorem states that if a function is continuous on a closed interval [a, b], then it attains both its maximum and minimum values at least once within that interval. This means there exist points c and d in [a, b] such that f(c) is the maximum value and f(d) is the minimum value of the function on that interval.

Why is continuity necessary for the Extreme Value Theorem?

Continuity is necessary because it ensures that the function does not have any breaks, jumps, or asymptotes within the interval. This uninterrupted nature of continuous functions guarantees that the function will take on every value between its minimum and maximum, making it possible to find these extrema within the interval.

Can the Extreme Value Theorem be applied to discontinuous functions?

No, the Extreme Value Theorem cannot be applied to discontinuous functions because discontinuities can create gaps or jumps where maximum or minimum values might not be attained within the interval. The theorem specifically requires the function to be continuous to ensure the existence of these extrema.

What happens if a function is not continuous on the interval?

If a function is not continuous on the interval, it might still have extrema, but the Extreme Value Theorem does not guarantee their existence. Discontinuities can lead to situations where the function approaches but never actually reaches certain values, making it impossible to definitively identify maximum or minimum values within the interval.

Are there any exceptions to the requirement of continuity for the Extreme Value Theorem?

No, there are no exceptions to the requirement of continuity for the Extreme Value Theorem. The theorem strictly applies to continuous functions on closed intervals. For functions that are not continuous, other methods or theorems must be used to analyze their extrema, if they exist.

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