Why is gravity taken as positive?

In summary, when designing an elevator to have a maximum acceleration of 6.80×10-2, the maximum force the motor should exert on the supporting cable can be calculated using the equation FT = ma + mg, where ƩF = ma and g is taken as a positive value. This is because the "downward" direction of gravity is already accounted for by the minus sign in the equation. Therefore, the tension force (FT) should be positive, resulting in a positive value for the maximum force the motor should exert on the supporting cable.
  • #1
whitehorsey
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1. An elevator (mass 4700 kg) is to be designed so that the maximum acceleration is 6.80×10-2. What is the maximum force the motor should exert on the supporting cable?


Force Diagram:

Force Tension
|
elevator
|
mg


3. FT = ma + mg
4700[(0.068(-9.8) - 9.8)]
= -435178.8N
but the answer should be positive. Why isn't gravity negative?
 
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Why is it F = ma + mg? Why not F + ma = mg? Why not F + mg = ma? Why not something else?
 
  • #3
voko said:
Why is it F = ma + mg? Why not F + ma = mg? Why not F + mg = ma? Why not something else?

Because the ƩF = ma
ƩF = FT - mg
So FT - mg = ma
=> FT = ma + mg
 
  • #4
whitehorsey said:
Because the ƩF = ma
ƩF = FT - mg
So FT - mg = ma
=> FT = ma + mg

Then in the bolded line, acceleration due to gravity and hence weight is taken as negative whilst tension FT is taken as positive. So the resultant force ma is

ma =FT + (-mg) = FT - mg
 
  • #5
Applying Newton's Second Law:
m[itex]\ddot{y}[/itex]=FT-mg

g here is just +9.8. The "downward" direction of gravity is already taken care of by the minus sign in :

FT-mg

Rewriting it as
FT=m([itex]\ddot{y}[/itex]+g)
Just plug and chug...

You should get a positive tension force
 
  • #6
whitehorsey said:
Because the ƩF = ma
ƩF = FT - mg
So FT - mg = ma
=> FT = ma + mg

Since that takes care of the "negative" direction of gravity, you should not further assume that g is negative like you did originally.
 
  • #7
Thanks everyone!
 

FAQ: Why is gravity taken as positive?

1. Why is gravity taken as positive?

Gravity is taken as positive because it is a fundamental force that attracts objects towards each other. By convention, the direction of the force of gravity is considered positive, as it is the direction in which objects naturally move.

2. Is there a specific reason for considering gravity as positive?

Yes, the reason for taking gravity as positive is based on the universal law of gravitation, which states that all objects with mass attract each other with a force that is directly proportional to their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them. This force is always attractive, hence it is considered positive.

3. Can gravity be negative?

No, gravity cannot be negative. In physics, negative values are used to represent the opposite direction or a decrease in a quantity. However, gravity is always a positive force, and its direction is always towards the center of the object with the larger mass.

4. How does taking gravity as positive affect calculations?

Taking gravity as positive does not affect calculations significantly. In most cases, it simplifies calculations as there is no need to deal with negative values or vectors pointing in opposite directions. However, in some cases, such as when calculating the work done against gravity, the negative sign is used to indicate that the work is done against the direction of the force of gravity.

5. Is there any alternative to taking gravity as positive?

Yes, there is an alternative way of considering gravity as negative. This approach is often used in mathematics and some fields of engineering. However, in physics, taking gravity as positive is the standard convention and is widely accepted and used in all calculations and equations.

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