Why is the Second Derivative Negative in SHM?

In summary, the conversation discusses the equation for SHM and the importance of defining the direction of x correctly in order to accurately determine the sign of the acceleration. The correct force equation is crucial in proving SHM and should be clarified before taking an exam.
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Pseudo Statistic
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Say you had a spring hanging vertically-- spring constant k. A mass m is attached to it and it's at its equilibrium position, b.
Say, I decide to extend it (downward) such that its total extension distance from how it would be normally (without the mass) is x. Say I take the upward direction as positive. The moment I let go of it, the sum of the forces should be:
[tex]kx - mg = m \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}[/tex]
Now, at some point I'd be asked a question (on a test) that says "Prove SHM".
To do so I have to get my force equation to the form [tex]\dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}} = - \omega^{2} (x-b)[/tex], yet I can only do this if I had gotten:
[tex]mg - kx = m \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}[/tex]
As my force equation.
Can someone tell me what I did wrong in forming my original force equation? I'd like to clear this up before my exam tomorrow.
Thanks alot.
 
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Pseudo Statistic said:
Say, I decide to extend it (downward) such that its total extension distance from how it would be normally (without the mass) is x. Say I take the upward direction as positive.
Even though you took upward as positive, you still defined your "x" as being downward. You have the wrong sign for [tex] \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}[/tex]. An upward acceleration would be [tex]- \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}[/tex].
 
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Exactly why is [tex]\dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}[/tex] negative? Can you elaborate?
Thanks for the reply.
 
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Pseudo Statistic said:
Exactly why is [tex]\dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}[/tex] negative? Can you elaborate?
When [tex]\dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}[/tex] is positive it means that the acceleration is in the +x direction. You defined x to be + downward. (Otherwise the restoring force would be -kx, not kx.)

You can stick with your definition of x, and call down to be postive. In which case the forces would be -kx & mg; set that sum equal to [tex]m \dfrac{d^{2}x}{dt^{2}}[/tex].
 

FAQ: Why is the Second Derivative Negative in SHM?

1. What is SHM force equation?

The SHM (Simple Harmonic Motion) force equation is a mathematical representation of the forces acting on an object undergoing simple harmonic motion. It is given by the equation F = -kx, where F is the restoring force, k is the spring constant, and x is the displacement from the equilibrium position.

2. What is the significance of setting up SHM force equation?

Setting up the SHM force equation allows us to accurately predict the motion of an object undergoing simple harmonic motion. It helps us understand the relationship between the restoring force and the displacement, and how changes in the parameters can affect the motion of the object.

3. How do you determine the spring constant in the SHM force equation?

The spring constant (k) can be determined experimentally by measuring the force applied to a spring and the resulting displacement. The spring constant is equal to the slope of the force-displacement graph, which can be calculated using the formula k = F/x.

4. Can the SHM force equation be used for other types of motion?

No, the SHM force equation is specifically for objects undergoing simple harmonic motion. It assumes that the restoring force is directly proportional to the displacement and acts in the opposite direction. Other types of motion, such as circular motion or free fall, have different force equations.

5. What are the units of measurement for the parameters in the SHM force equation?

The force (F) is measured in Newtons (N), the displacement (x) is measured in meters (m), and the spring constant (k) is measured in Newtons per meter (N/m). It is important to use consistent units when setting up the SHM force equation to ensure accurate results.

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