Why is Work Negative in PV diagram?

In summary, the isotherm is negative because of the direction along the V axis, not the direction around the loop. Work is calculated as ∫P.dV, and if the direction is leftward along the V axis, dV is negative. When taking into account the integrals and the limits, it can be seen that from a→c, work is being taken out, while from c→b, work is being put in. Since more work is being put in than taken out, the net work for the cycle is negative. However, if the direction around the enclosed area is reversed, the net work becomes positive.
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Was wonder how the isotherm is negative? Is it because it is going counterclockwise (the arrows)? If this is the case, i don't see why a-c would be positive work...

I'm just confused on whether work should be positive or negative... :(
 

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lc99 said:
Was wonder how the isotherm is negative? Is it because it is going counterclockwise (the arrows)? If this is the case, i don't see why a-c would be positive work...
It is not to do with the direction around the loop but rather the direction along the V axis. Work is ∫P.dV. If it is going leftward along the V axis then dV is negative.
This is taken care of by the integrals if you are careful with the limits.
 
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From a→c, you are taking work out, from c→b, you are putting work in and since you are putting more work in that you are taking out, the net work is negative. You might think of it as one process at a time, the area under a→c represents the work out and the area under c→b represents the work in, the net work/cycle is the area enclosed on the p-V diagram. Of course if you reverse the direction around the enclosed area, the net work is positive.
 

Related to Why is Work Negative in PV diagram?

1. Why is work negative in a PV diagram?

Work is negative in a PV diagram because it represents the energy lost by the system to the surroundings. This occurs when the volume of the system increases, causing the system to do work on the surroundings.

2. How is work calculated in a PV diagram?

Work in a PV diagram can be calculated by finding the area under the curve on the graph. This area represents the work done by the system on the surroundings.

3. Can work ever be positive in a PV diagram?

Yes, work can be positive in a PV diagram if the volume of the system decreases, causing the surroundings to do work on the system. This occurs when the system experiences compression.

4. How does work relate to the change in internal energy in a PV diagram?

Work and the change in internal energy are related in a PV diagram by the first law of thermodynamics, which states that the change in internal energy of a system is equal to the heat added to the system minus the work done by the system.

5. Can work be negative and heat be positive in a PV diagram?

Yes, it is possible for work to be negative and heat to be positive in a PV diagram. This would occur if the system experienced both an increase in volume (negative work) and an increase in temperature (positive heat).

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