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Astronuc said:But this is not correct. One neutron causes a fission which produces 200 MeV. The additional neutrons would carry away only 2-4 MeV. They could be absorbed in special assemblies to produce tritium, which is produced in the coolant through the (n, alpha) reaction with Li anyway. There is no 130 MeV being carried away by the extra neutrons from fission.
Astro, I'm not saying (nor was the OP saying) that this energy is carried away by the neutrons, that is not the point.
The point is that you need to liberate 130 MeV in a fission reactor in order for you to have an "absorbable" neutron. This neutron is not carrying this energy, nor is this energy "lost" but is has been irreversibly converted into heat. Heat which can be used to make steam or whatever, to make electricity, to make hydrogen, to desalinate seawater, or to boil eggs, whatever you use a reactor for.
The point is not that there would be a kind of "loss of energy" or that it would require more energy to make the tritium than to use it. No. The point is that 130 MeV of useful fission energy has to be liberated in a fission reactor per available neutron, so (without significant neutron multiplication) per produced tritium atom. If you want to produce 1.5 10^25 neutrons over a year's time to do something with like making tritium, there's no way but to have a fission facility that has liberated a power of about 100 MW. That 100 MW thermal can be used to make electricity or boil eggs or whatever, so it can be put to good usage, but it is power produced by a fission facility. If we take those 1.5 10^25 neutrons and we let them turn Li-6 into tritium, then we have made 1.5 10^25 tritium atoms.
So consider that making 1.5 10^25 tritium atoms required you to run a nuclear facility that liberated useful power of 100 MW.
Now, with this tritium fuel, if you go to a fusion facility running D + T, you can provide for 15 MW (if it doesn't have a blanket).
So the ridiculous part in this case is that you need to run a 100 MW reactor (producing, say, 35 MW of electricity), to fuel a fusion reactor of 15 MW, producing 5 MW of electricity.
So if you were planning to need 40 MW of electricity, you would have to build a fission reactor providing you with 35 MW of electricity and tritium fuel, and a fusion reactor of 5 MW. This is not a problem, but it is ridiculous to spend 100 years of research to achieve THAT.
Now, even with an 80% efficient blanket, you would still need to have a nuclear facility providing for 7 MW of electrical power to have a fusion reactor making 5 MW of electrical power. That too, is ridiculous as an achievement.
Anyway, a substantial fraction of the extra neutrons are absorbed the fuel (U-238) which is converted eventually to fissile Pu239 and (Pu-240, Pu-241), Am241, Cm244, and other TRUs.
Indeed, which makes it WORSE, because, for the same amount of available neutrons to make tritium you need even to liberate MORE fission power, and you make more fission fuel... so your balance tips even more over to the fission power side...
BTW - thorium (Th-232) with U-233 is the basis of a thermal breeder reactor.
I know, I should have said U-235.