Why probability current = 0 at infinity? Why must wavefunction be continuous?

In summary: So you can put in any assumption you like. (But, as I said before, you could take any function and approximate it as 0 outside some region.)In summary, the probability current is zero at infinity because for a square-integrable function, the wave function must approach zero at infinity. This implies that all derivatives of the wave function must also approach zero at infinity. This assumption is motivated by the principle of locality, where a particle at infinity should not have any effect on particles at finite distances. However, this assumption may not hold for all physical systems, and in those cases, the wave function is considered invalid in representing a physical system.
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Q1. Why is the probability current ##j(x,t)=0## at ##x=\pm\infty##? (See first line of last paragraph below.)

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My attempt at explaining is as follows:
For square-integrable functions, at ##x=\pm\infty##, ##\psi=0## and hence ##\psi^*=0##, while ##\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}## and hence ##\frac{\partial\psi^*}{\partial x}## must remain finite for ##\psi## to be differentiable, a requirement for it to be a solution of the Schrodinger's equation. Hence by (2-32), ##j(x,t)=\frac{\hbar}{2im}(0-0)=0##.

But more rigorously, we should say as ##x\to\pm\infty##, ##\psi\to0## and hence ##\psi^*\to0##. Since ##\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}## and hence ##\frac{\partial\psi^*}{\partial x}## must remain finite for all values of ##x## and ##t##, they must be bounded from above, by say ##z_1##, and below, by say ##z_2##. Hence ##\psi^*z_1\leq\psi^*\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}\leq\psi^*z_2## and as ##x\to\pm\infty##, ##\psi^*\to0## and hence ##\psi^*\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}=0##. Hence ##j(x,t)=\frac{\hbar}{2im}(0-0)=0##.

Am I right or missing anything out?

Q2. How does discontinuity in ##\psi## lead to (Dirac) delta functions in ##j(x,t)##? (Second line of last paragraph in the photo.)

Suppose at some value of ##x## and ##t##, ##\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}=\pm\infty##. Then ##\frac{\partial\psi^*}{\partial x}=\pm\infty^*##. Hence ##j(x,t)=\pm\infty-\pm\infty^*##, which could be finite. Then there may not necessarily be any delta function in ##j(x,t)##. Isn't it?

Q3. How does delta functions in ##j(x,t)## lead to delta functions in ##P(x,t)##? (Third line of last paragraph in the photo.)

Suppose at some value of ##x## (say ##x_1##) and ##t## (say ##t_1##), ##j(x_1,t_1)## is the ##\pm\infty## of a delta function. Then ##\frac{\partial j}{\partial x}=\pm\infty##. By (2-33), ##\frac{\partial P}{\partial t}=\mp\infty##. But P may not necessary have delta functions. It could just be discontinous with respect to ##t##, say P jumps from 0.1 to 0.2 when ##t=t_1##. And so shouldn't we then argue that this discontinuity, and not delta functions as claimed by the text, is unacceptable instead?
 
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Q1. Why is the probability current ##j(x,t)=0## at ##x=\pm\infty##? (See first line of last paragraph below.)

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My attempt at explaining is as follows:
For square-integrable functions, at ##x=\pm\infty##, ##\psi=0## and hence ##\psi^*=0##, while ##\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}## and hence ##\frac{\partial\psi^*}{\partial x}## must remain finite for ##\psi## to be differentiable, a requirement for it to be a solution of the Schrodinger's equation. Hence by (2-32), ##j(x,t)=\frac{\hbar}{2im}(0-0)=0##.

But more rigorously, we should say as ##x\to\pm\infty##, ##\psi\to0## and hence ##\psi^*\to0##. Since ##\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}## and hence ##\frac{\partial\psi^*}{\partial x}## must remain finite for all values of ##x## and ##t##, they must be bounded from above, by say ##z_1##, and below, by say ##z_2##. Hence ##\psi^*z_1\leq\psi^*\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}\leq\psi^*z_2## and as ##x\to\pm\infty##, ##\psi^*\to0## and hence ##\psi^*\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}=0##. Hence ##j(x,t)=\frac{\hbar}{2im}(0-0)=0##.

Am I right or missing anything out?

In general, there are square integrable functions that do not meet these criteria, but they are considered invalid in terms of representing a physical system. In particular, a square integrable function need not have a bounded derivative. A similar example is:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...f-position-of-a-particle.853025/#post-5349540
 
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If the function represents a physical system, then it can at least be approximated by a function that is identically ##0## beyond some value of ##x##. Hence, of course, all the derivatives are identically ##0## beyond this value.

This technically excludes functions like the Gaussian, but the Gaussian can be approximated by a function that drops to ##0## at some large value of ##x##.

In all these calculations, therefore, you could assume that eventually the wave-function and all its derivatives are (effectively) identically ##0##. That might be a useful rule of thumb.
 
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If the function represents a physical system, then it can at least be approximated by a function that is identically ##0## beyond some value of ##x##. Hence, of course, all the derivatives are identically ##0## beyond this value.

Are there some further elaborations on what it means to be physical?

A wave function that is identically zero beyond some point implies a particle with a non-zero probability of being found here (in the vicinity of ##x=0##) cannot simultaneously have a non-zero probability of being found somewhere infinitely far away. I reason this is because at a particular instant, the particle must be somewhere; it cannot be somewhere infinitely far away (being infinitely far away means it goes out of existence?). So in other words, a particle cannot have a probability (say 0.6) of being in existence and a probability (say 0.4) of being out of existence at one instant? And if we add in the time dimension, does being physical means a particle starting with probability = 1 of being in existence cannot have a (non-zero) probability of being out of existence at some future instant?

The assumption that the first derivative ##\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}## vanishes at ##x=\pm\infty##, is it motivated by some principle of locality? A particle (or wave) located here cannot exert an effect on particles sufficiently far away. So the momentum, energy and all physical quantities of the particle (or wave) at ##x=\pm\infty## must be zero. And since all physical quantities are calculated as some functions of ##\psi, x## and ##\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}##, the first derivative ##\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial x}## must vanish at ##x=\pm\infty##?
 
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I'm not sure i follow much of that. For most experiments, the probability a particle is found outside the solar system is negligible. So, you may as well assume the wave function is 0 beyond that!

Normally we talk about the rate that the probability density falls off - must be exponential eventually. But I just thought that approximating it as 0 beyond the bounds of an experiment was a neat alternative.

Either way an assumption beyond square integrability is needed.
 

Related to Why probability current = 0 at infinity? Why must wavefunction be continuous?

1. Why does the probability current equal to 0 at infinity?

The probability current is a measure of the flow of probability through a given point in space. At infinity, there are no boundaries or obstacles for the wavefunction to encounter, and therefore, the probability of finding the particle at that point is considered to be zero. This results in a probability current of 0 at infinity.

2. How is the continuity of the wavefunction related to the probability current being 0 at infinity?

The continuity of the wavefunction is a fundamental property of quantum mechanics, which states that the wavefunction must be continuous at all points in space. This means that the wavefunction cannot have any sudden changes or breaks. Since the probability current is directly related to the gradient of the wavefunction, a discontinuity in the wavefunction would result in an infinite probability current, which is not physically possible. Therefore, for the probability current to be 0 at infinity, the wavefunction must be continuous.

3. What happens to the probability current if the wavefunction is not continuous?

If the wavefunction is not continuous, it would result in a discontinuity in the probability current. This would violate the fundamental principles of quantum mechanics and would not accurately describe the behavior of particles at the quantum level. In practical terms, it would also lead to unphysical results and predictions.

4. Is the continuity of the wavefunction necessary for all quantum systems?

Yes, the continuity of the wavefunction is a fundamental requirement for all quantum systems. It is a consequence of the Schrödinger equation, which is the fundamental equation of quantum mechanics. Any deviation from continuity would result in unphysical predictions and would violate the principles of quantum mechanics.

5. Can the probability current ever be non-zero at infinity?

No, the probability current can never be non-zero at infinity. This is because the wavefunction must be continuous, and at infinity, the probability of finding the particle is considered to be zero. Therefore, the probability current will always be 0 at infinity for any quantum system.

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