Why the Lagrangian must involve derivative of field?

In summary, the Lagrangian in QFT must involve derivatives of the field because they give the notion of "neighborhood" and "smoothness" to the field values. Without derivatives, neighboring points would be uncoupled and there would be no waves or propagation in space. The Hamiltonian contains momenta, which leads to derivatives in the Lagrangian. Without derivatives, the propagator of the field cannot be derived. Additionally, derivatives in the Lagrangian are necessary in order to have a notion of space and to create the concept of "neighborhood".
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Please teach me this:
Why the Lagrangian in QFT must involve derivative of field? Is it correct that because fermions and bosons(meaning all things) obey Dirac and Klein-Gordon equations,then the corresponding Lagrangians include the derivative of field?
(I know that the derivative has a important role in Gauge Local Symmetries(leading to comparator that reserve the Gauge Symmetry of the derivative))
Thank you very much for your kind helping.
 
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w/o spatial derivatives the field values at neighboring points would be uncoupled, there would be no waves, no propagation in space.
 
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The Lagrangian contains derivatives, because the Hamiltonian contains momenta.
 
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Well, try to derive the propagator of the field if there are no derivatives in the Lagrangian, as tom.stoer notes, and you'll see the necessity :)

It's a same kind of question as "why are there time derivatives in the Lagrangian of Newtonian systems"? What's wrong with an action like, say

[tex] L[x] = A x_i x^i + B (x_i x^i)^2 + \ldots [/tex]

for coefficients A,B,...
 
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In physical terms: derivatives of the field give the notion of "neighborhood" and, therefore, "smoothness".

Imagine that you have a field in the line, f(x), characterized by a certain energy function. A very simple energy function would be ∫|df/dx|2dx, which is zero for flat fields, and small for "smooth" fields. It's the same for Lagrangians.
 
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So,''physical'' means ''smoothness''?
 
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No, physical do not mean smooth. But if field values at nearby points did not have a tendency to "stay together", we would have no notion of space at all. The reason for which we have created the notion of "neighborhood" is because nearby points tend to be more correlated than far-away points. And this is achieved with the derivative terms in the lagrangian.
 

FAQ: Why the Lagrangian must involve derivative of field?

Why does the Lagrangian involve derivatives of a field?

The Lagrangian involves derivatives of a field because it is a mathematical tool used to describe the dynamics of a physical system. In order to fully understand the behavior of a system, it is necessary to take into account not only the current state of the system, but also how it changes over time. This is where derivatives come in - they represent the rate of change of a field with respect to time, and thus are essential in determining the dynamics of a system.

What is the significance of the Lagrangian in physics?

The Lagrangian is a fundamental concept in physics, particularly in the fields of classical mechanics and quantum field theory. It is used to describe the dynamics of a system in terms of its energy and forces, and can be used to derive the equations of motion for a system. Additionally, the Lagrangian is used to describe the fundamental interactions between particles and fields in quantum field theory, providing a framework for understanding the behavior of particles at a microscopic level.

How is the Lagrangian related to the principle of least action?

The Lagrangian is closely related to the principle of least action, which states that the path a system takes between two points in time is the one that minimizes the action, a quantity related to the Lagrangian. In other words, the Lagrangian encapsulates the dynamics of a system, and the principle of least action allows us to determine the path the system will take in order to minimize the amount of energy expended.

Can the Lagrangian be used to describe all physical systems?

While the Lagrangian is a powerful tool in physics, it is not applicable to all physical systems. In particular, it is most useful in systems that can be described by classical mechanics or quantum field theory. For systems that involve strong nuclear forces or general relativity, alternative mathematical frameworks are needed to accurately describe their dynamics.

What role does the Lagrangian play in the Standard Model of particle physics?

In the Standard Model of particle physics, the Lagrangian plays a central role in describing the interactions between the fundamental particles - quarks, leptons, and bosons - and the fundamental forces - electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force. The Lagrangian allows us to understand how these particles interact and gives insight into the behavior of the universe at a microscopic level.

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