Wind speed versus the force on objects like flower pots and deck boxes

In summary, the conversation revolved around the effects of windspeed on heavy objects, specifically flower pots and deck boxes. The formula for calculating the force of the wind was discussed, as well as the need for enough friction and weight for stability. The concept of sliding and tipping of objects in high winds was also addressed, with equations provided to determine if an object is safe from these effects. The topic of other potential effects was also mentioned.
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scott simpson
i was wondering if anyone had a site that catalogued windspeed effect on heavy objects? I found several sites that talk about trees and shingles, I'm interested in flower pots and deck boxes. If someone could shoot me an equation would allow me to calculate various objects
 
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on a related note, is it better to leave small gaps between plywood sheeting to allow air around during a hurricane, or attach them without gaps between to try to keep all wind out?
 
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scott simpson said:
i was wondering if anyone had a site that catalogued windspeed effect on heavy objects? I found several sites that talk about trees and shingles, I'm interested in flower pots and deck boxes. If someone could shoot me an equation would allow me to calculate various objects
Find out the once in ten year wind speed (say) for your area. Assume about 40psf at 100mph. Force is proportional to Vel^2.
Then check there is likely to be enough friction with the ground (assume mu=1) and enough weight for stability.
Allow a big safety factor.
 
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My quantitative physics is nonexistent, can you give me the formula taking into account weight? I'm assuming force = velocity squared?
 
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scott simpson said:
My quantitative physics is nonexistent, can you give me the formula taking into account weight? I'm assuming force = velocity squared?
I am using USA units here, which I am a bit wobbly with after years of metric!
Force due to the wind = 40 V^2 / 100 in pounds, where V is wind speed in mph.
To avoid sliding, (weight x mu) must be more than the wind force.
Turning moment due to the wind = force x height of centre of pressure. Let's assume it is force x half height of object.
Righting moment is weight x half the width. Distances in the same units.
Righting moment must be more than overturning moment.
 
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Wind effects? Hmm. Well the two things I can think of that would be most involved with that are sliding and tipping.

First, let's determine the force of the wind acting on the object. The drag equation states that

$$F_D=\frac{\rho C_DA}{2}v^2$$

Where ##\rho## is the air density, ##C_D## is the drag coefficient of the object (this depends on shape), ##A## is the cross-sectional area of the side that the wind is hitting (for a rectangular box, this will just be the area of the side the wind is hitting, for a cylindrical shaped plant pot, this will be the area of the flat side if you cut it in half), and ##v## is the wind speed.

Now, to make sure your object doesn't slide you must make sure the drag force is less than the force of friction between the object and the ground, which can be found using

$$F_f\approx \mu F_N$$

Where ##\mu## is the coefficient of friction of the material of the object and the material of the ground, and ##F_N## is the normal force (which will just be the force of gravity ##F_g=mg## on a non-inclined surface).

As long as ##F_f>F_D##, the object shouldn't slide.

Next, to find when the objects will tip, we must first find the moments exerted by the forces acting on the objects.

The moment of gravity and the normal force can be found using

$$M_{g/N}=F_gw$$

Where ##F_g## is the force of gravity on the object and ##w## is the width of the object (in the direction of the wind).

Next, the moment of drag and friction can be found using

$$M_{D/f}=F_Dh$$

Where ##h## is the height the force is being applied at, which, because the force of the air is applied everywhere on the surface, will just be half the total height of the object.

And so, as long as ##M_{g/N}>M_{D/f}##, the object is safe from tipping.

Are there any other effects you can think of that you would like analysed?
 
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FAQ: Wind speed versus the force on objects like flower pots and deck boxes

How does wind speed affect the force on objects like flower pots and deck boxes?

The force on objects like flower pots and deck boxes is directly affected by wind speed. As the wind speed increases, the force exerted on these objects also increases. This is because the wind carries kinetic energy, and when it hits an object, it transfers that energy to the object, causing a force to be exerted on it.

Is there a specific wind speed at which objects like flower pots and deck boxes are most affected?

There is no specific wind speed at which objects like flower pots and deck boxes are most affected. The force on these objects will increase as the wind speed increases, but there is no specific threshold or maximum wind speed that will cause the most force. It ultimately depends on the size, shape, and weight of the object, as well as the direction and consistency of the wind.

How can I calculate the force on objects like flower pots and deck boxes based on wind speed?

There are mathematical equations that can be used to calculate the force on objects based on wind speed. One of the most commonly used equations is the drag force equation, which takes into account the wind speed, the density of the air, and the surface area and shape of the object. However, it is important to note that these calculations may not always be accurate in real-life scenarios due to various external factors.

Can wind speed alone cause objects like flower pots and deck boxes to move or topple over?

Wind speed alone can cause objects like flower pots and deck boxes to move or topple over. This is because wind speed is directly related to the force exerted on these objects, and if the force is strong enough, it can overcome the weight and stability of the object and cause it to move or topple. The direction of the wind is also an important factor, as a strong crosswind may be more likely to topple an object than a headwind.

How can I protect my flower pots and deck boxes from wind damage?

To protect your flower pots and deck boxes from wind damage, you can take several precautions. One option is to secure them to the ground or to a sturdy structure, such as a fence or wall. You can also choose to place them in a sheltered area or use windbreaks, such as hedges or walls, to reduce the impact of wind on the objects. Additionally, using heavier or more stable objects, such as ceramic pots or weighted deck boxes, can also help prevent them from being blown over by strong winds.

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