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Gaston444
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Hello everyone.
I wanted to know if, for low wing single engine nose-driven prop aircrafts, there has ever been a measurement done, while in flight, of the actual amount of wing bending occurring during sustained level turns at a measured G force, including full power sustained turns.
The aircraft types I am interested in would have to be similar in size, power and configuration to a typical WWII fighter: Nose-driven low-wing monoplane of at least 1000 hp and weighting at least 5000 lbs. A Piston engine would be much preferred as well, but a turboprop's data could be of some use.
I am guessing a simple camera looking straight down the wing leading edge could have been used in the early 1950s to measure wing bending in turns...
This question is quite important to me, and I have asked several places with no replies, so I hope this is the right forum to ask... The problem I see here is that my question is more historical in nature than pure engineering.
The reason why I am asking this is because I have seen too many clues from WWII combat accounts that call into question the notion that nose-driven tractive propulsion behaves in the exact same way as rear (jet) propulsion during sustained turns. Specifically, the described phenomenon of reducing the throttle yielding a no-delay (no deceleration delay at all: I do mean Instant) large and indefinite duration advantage in low speed maximum sustained turn rate at around 3.5 Gs. This advantage in turn rate implying of course a much tighter radius but at a slower speed.
Best sustained turn rate on a Me-109G-6, with strong pilot emphasis on using a much reduced throttle, is described as 160 MPH by this pilot (barely 55 MPH above stall speed), while that type's safe airframe limit of a minimum speed 6G "Corner Speed" is said to be around 220-240 MPH...
I have a theory that explains this, but it could easily be disproved if a test was done that shows wing bending measurements at various speeds and power levels while in a level turn (dive pull-outs don't count, and power preferably must be close to maximum for one level turn wing bending value at least).
I know very well what the basic theory is, and why it makes this sounds impossible: I really do want to find out if wing bending was ever measured while in level sustained speed turning flight, at high power, on these types of aircrafts.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Gaston
I wanted to know if, for low wing single engine nose-driven prop aircrafts, there has ever been a measurement done, while in flight, of the actual amount of wing bending occurring during sustained level turns at a measured G force, including full power sustained turns.
The aircraft types I am interested in would have to be similar in size, power and configuration to a typical WWII fighter: Nose-driven low-wing monoplane of at least 1000 hp and weighting at least 5000 lbs. A Piston engine would be much preferred as well, but a turboprop's data could be of some use.
I am guessing a simple camera looking straight down the wing leading edge could have been used in the early 1950s to measure wing bending in turns...
This question is quite important to me, and I have asked several places with no replies, so I hope this is the right forum to ask... The problem I see here is that my question is more historical in nature than pure engineering.
The reason why I am asking this is because I have seen too many clues from WWII combat accounts that call into question the notion that nose-driven tractive propulsion behaves in the exact same way as rear (jet) propulsion during sustained turns. Specifically, the described phenomenon of reducing the throttle yielding a no-delay (no deceleration delay at all: I do mean Instant) large and indefinite duration advantage in low speed maximum sustained turn rate at around 3.5 Gs. This advantage in turn rate implying of course a much tighter radius but at a slower speed.
Best sustained turn rate on a Me-109G-6, with strong pilot emphasis on using a much reduced throttle, is described as 160 MPH by this pilot (barely 55 MPH above stall speed), while that type's safe airframe limit of a minimum speed 6G "Corner Speed" is said to be around 220-240 MPH...
I have a theory that explains this, but it could easily be disproved if a test was done that shows wing bending measurements at various speeds and power levels while in a level turn (dive pull-outs don't count, and power preferably must be close to maximum for one level turn wing bending value at least).
I know very well what the basic theory is, and why it makes this sounds impossible: I really do want to find out if wing bending was ever measured while in level sustained speed turning flight, at high power, on these types of aircrafts.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Gaston