Work done by a harmonic oscillator

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of work done by a system, specifically in the case of an undamped oscillator. While the initial equation for work done is written as -ΔU = -K(x^2)/2, it is noted that this assumes a constant force, which is not always the case. The correct expression for work done takes into account the variable force, and can be found by integrating Fdx. This concept is further explained using examples of calculating work for an electron in a battery. It is emphasized that the expression dW = Fdx is always true, but whether or not F can be taken out of the integral depends on the specific situation.
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In the case of an undamped oscillator, the work done by the system is written as ( assume initial position is 0 ) :

[tex] W = - \Delta U = - K \frac{x^2}{2} [/tex]

But to verify this , we must assume that the force acting on the oscillator is constant , which is not true as F = f(x) according to hook's law.

To find an expression for the work done by the system I start with :

[tex] dW = Cos(F,x) \ d(Fx) = d(Fx) = -K d(x^2) [/tex]

then it follows that

[tex] W = - K x^2 [/tex]

Ofcourse this eq must be wrong , but I wonder why. Why should the force of the spring be constant ?
 
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The force of the spring isn't constant:

[tex]dW = Fdx = kx dx[/tex]

Integrate that and you'll get the correct answer.
 
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When you write dW=Fdx you already assume the force is constant . Otherwise , why would F be outside the differential ? We should write dW = d(Fx) keeping F inside the differential as it is not a constant. dW = Fdx is correct only when F = constant. True ?

Notice , when calculating the work done by an electron in a battery , we write dW = d(Fx) = d(qEx) = Vdq assuming the potential difference V = const while q is a variable. ( In this case F is not constant ). Had we written directly dW = Fdx , we would not obtain the correct expression. It is not necessary that dW = Fdx always holds true, it depends on the situation.

I hope you got my point.
 
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Hunt_ said:
When you write dW=Fdx you already assume the force is constant . Otherwise , why would F be outside the differential ? We should write dW = d(Fx) keeping F inside the differential as it is not a constant. dW = Fdx is correct only when F = constant. True ?
No, not true. The differential element of work is dW = Fdx, not dW = d(Fx). (What does dF even mean? A small change in F?) Work is Force times distance; we need to add up (integrate) all the contributions of Force*dx over the variable x. Whether F is constant or not is a different story: if F is constant, then you can take it out of the integral. In this case F is a function of x, so dW = Fdx = kx dx:

[tex]W = \int F(x) dx \neq F(x) \int dx[/tex]

[tex]W = \int F(x) dx = \int k x dx = 1/2 kx^2[/tex]

Notice , when calculating the work done by an electron in a battery , we write dW = d(Fx) = d(qEx) = Vdq assuming the potential difference V = const while q is a variable. ( In this case F is not constant ). Had we written directly dW = Fdx , we would not obtain the correct expression. It is not necessary that dW = Fdx always holds true, it depends on the situation.
Again, incorrect. dW = F dx is always true--it's the basic definition of work. In the case where force is constant (and in the same direction as displacement):

[tex]W = \int F dx = F \int dx = Fx[/tex]
 
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Thanks , I think it makes much more sense now.
 

FAQ: Work done by a harmonic oscillator

What is a harmonic oscillator?

A harmonic oscillator is a type of physical system that exhibits oscillatory motion, meaning it moves back and forth between two points in a regular pattern. This motion is characterized by a restoring force that is directly proportional to the displacement from the equilibrium position. Examples of harmonic oscillators include a mass attached to a spring and a pendulum.

How is work defined for a harmonic oscillator?

Work done by a harmonic oscillator is defined as the energy transferred to or from the system due to a force applied over a distance. In other words, it is the product of the force and the displacement of the oscillator. This work can be either positive or negative, depending on the direction of the force and displacement.

What factors affect the work done by a harmonic oscillator?

The work done by a harmonic oscillator is affected by several factors, including the amplitude of oscillation, the frequency of oscillation, and the mass of the oscillator. Additionally, the presence of damping forces or external forces can also affect the work done by a harmonic oscillator.

How is the work done by a harmonic oscillator related to its potential and kinetic energy?

According to the law of conservation of energy, the total energy of a harmonic oscillator remains constant. This means that any work done by the oscillator must be equal to the change in its potential and kinetic energy. As the oscillator moves from its equilibrium position to its maximum displacement, its potential energy increases while its kinetic energy decreases by the same amount. The opposite is true as the oscillator returns to its equilibrium position.

Can the work done by a harmonic oscillator be negative?

Yes, the work done by a harmonic oscillator can be negative. This occurs when the force and displacement are in opposite directions, resulting in a negative value for work. Negative work means that the oscillator is losing energy, which can happen when damping forces are present or when external forces are acting against the direction of motion.

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