Definition of two homeomorphic spaces

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In summary, jgens' sphere is not homeomorphic to the circle because one is compact and the other is not. Although the inverse of f-1 is defined for all points within the sphere, it is not an identity map because it maps an open interval to the real line. If we remove the point at infinity from the real line, f-1 is still not an identity map because it maps an open interval to the real line.
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Given this definition of two homeomorphic spaces,

Definition 1.7.2. Two topological spaces X and Y are said to be homeomorphic if there are
continuous map f : X → Y and g : Y → X such that
f ° g = IY and g ° f = IX.

Suppose I know f and g are both continuous. Would it be safe to assume then, that if
f ° (g ° f) = f, X and Y are homeomorphic?

Here's my reasoning:
f ° (g ° f) = f implies g ° f = IX and due to the associativity of a composition,
f ° (g ° f) = (f ° g) ° f = f or f ° g = IY.
 
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Nope. Take X = [-1,1] and Y = (-1,1). These spaces are not homeomorphic since one is compact and the other is not. Now let f:X→Y be the constant function zero and let g:Y→X be any continuous function. Then f(g(f(x))) = f(x) = 0 for all x in X.
 
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Streltsy said:
f ° (g ° f) = f implies g ° f = IX

This statement is untrue. In order for ##g\circ f = I_X##, we must have ##h\circ (g\circ f) = h## for all continuous maps ## h: X \rightarrow X##.

In addition to jgens example, we could consider ##X=S^2## and ##Y=S^1##, with ##f## the map ##(\theta,\phi)\mapsto \phi## and ##g## the map ##\phi\rightarrow (\pi/2,\phi)##. This illustrates the fact that it can be that ##f\circ(g\circ f)=f## even when the image of ##g\circ f## does not even include the whole space ##X##.
 
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Sorry, I haven't gotten to the definition of compactness. Although I believe I understand why my assumption is wrong.

I have another question; though I'm not sure if it would belong in this section.

Suppose I have a function f(x,y) = 2x/(1-y), that maps the sphere (minus a pole), S1 = {(x, y) ∈ ℝ2 | x2+(y−1/2)2 = 1/4} \ {(0,1)} onto ℝ, and its inverse, f−1(x) = (2x/(x2 + 4), x2/(x2 + 4)).

How can I verify that f−1(x) ° f(x,y) is an identity map?
because, I know that f(x,y) ° f−1(x) returns x, and that is how I verified f ° f-1 was an identity map, but the other returns a coordinate which isn't just (x,y).
 
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Streltsy said:
Suppose I have a function f(x,y) = 2x/(1-y), that maps the sphere (minus a pole), S1 = {(x, y) ∈ ℝ2 | x2+(y−1/2)2 = 1/4} \ {(0,1)} onto ℝ, and its inverse, f−1(x) = (2x/(x2 + 4), x2/(x2 + 4)).

How can I verify that f−1(x) ° f(x,y) is an identity map?
because, I know that f(x,y) ° f−1(x) returns x, and that is how I verified f ° f-1 was an identity map, but the other returns a coordinate which isn't just (x,y).

This example is closely related to jgens' example and the spaces are not homeomorphic for the same reason. The circle is a compact manifold, but ##\mathbb{R}## is not. Compactness is a concept that needs some notions of topology to define, but here it boils down to the fact that we only need a finite number of open intervals to describe the circle. For ##\mathbb{R}##, no finite number of open intervals can cover it, since the point at infinity is always outside of whatever finite collection of open intervals we come up with.

It is precisely the point ##(0,1)## where ##f## was not defined that is the problem (so ##f## is not continuous). Points on the circle approaching this point are mapped towards the point at infinity on ##\mathbb{R}##. Since ##f^{-1}\circ f## is not defined everywhere on the circle, it cannot be the identity map.

There is a notion of "adding the point at infinity" to the real line, called the one-point compactification. The resulting space is homeomorphic to the circle.
 
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With respect to the continuity of f; doesn't the fact that f: S1 \ {(0,1)} → ℝ safeguard against discontinuity? The domain of f does not include y = 1 so, from my understanding, f-1 ° f would be defined everywhere in the domain of f.

Still, I suppose I have to arrive at the definition of compactness and attempt to understand it.

Also, the purpose of my question was rather to acquire a procedure, through which I can verify that if a function composition g ° f returns an ordered pair (x,y) for example, g ° f is an identity map.
 
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Streltsy said:
With respect to the continuity of f; doesn't the fact that f: S1 \ {(0,1)} → ℝ safeguard against discontinuity? The domain of f does not include y = 1 so, from my understanding, f-1 ° f would be defined everywhere in the domain of f.

We can delete the point ##(0,1)##, but then we are mapping an open interval to ##\mathbb{R}##. Also, in either case, ##f\circ f^{-1}## is not defined at the point at infinity, since that point should be mapped to ##(0,1)##.

Still, I suppose I have to arrive at the definition of compactness and attempt to understand it.

It's very important to understand, especially for the intuition it gives in these cases. It tells us that the circle or open interval cannot be homeomorphic to the real line. Explicitly the obstruction is due to the behavior of ##f## and ##f^{-1}## at the special points and it's also very useful to see that directly.

Also, the purpose of my question was rather to acquire a procedure, through which I can verify that if a function composition g ° f returns an ordered pair (x,y) for example, g ° f is an identity map.

Well this boils down to the behavior of the function and it's inverse at the special points. Also, I understand where it comes from in the construction, but it's important to remember that the ordered pair ##(x,y)## satisfies a constraint, so there is really a single parameter. In terms of the single parameter the circle is the interval ##[0,1)## where points are identified under ##x \sim x +1##, while the domain of ##f## is homeomorphic to the interval ##(0,1)##.
 
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I am confused. Both S1-* and R are homeomorphic (where * is any one-point set) but it looks like fzero is saying otherwise. Hopefully I am just misunderstanding something here.
 
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jgens said:
I am confused. Both S1-* and R are homeomorphic (where * is any one-point set) but it looks like fzero is saying otherwise. Hopefully I am just misunderstanding something here.

You're right. My logic above was faulty. The tangent function provides another homeomorphism from an open interval to the real line.
 
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Which of your claims should I still consider? (With all due respect).
 

Related to Definition of two homeomorphic spaces

What is the definition of two homeomorphic spaces?

Two spaces are considered homeomorphic if there exists a continuous function between them that has a continuous inverse. This means that the two spaces share the same topological properties and are essentially the same in terms of their shape and structure.

What does it mean for two spaces to be homeomorphic?

When two spaces are homeomorphic, it means that they are topologically equivalent. This means that any property or characteristic that can be determined by the space's shape or structure will be the same for both spaces.

How can you prove that two spaces are homeomorphic?

To prove that two spaces are homeomorphic, you must show that there exists a continuous function between them that has a continuous inverse. This can be done by constructing a function and showing that it satisfies the properties of continuity and invertibility.

Can two spaces be homeomorphic if they have different dimensions?

Yes, two spaces can still be homeomorphic even if they have different dimensions. Homeomorphism is a topological equivalence and does not depend on the dimensions of the spaces. For example, a circle and a square are homeomorphic even though one is two-dimensional and the other is one-dimensional.

What is the importance of understanding homeomorphic spaces?

Understanding homeomorphic spaces is important in topology and geometry as it allows for a deeper understanding of the underlying structure and properties of different spaces. It also helps in the study of continuous functions and their properties, which have many applications in mathematics and other fields such as physics and engineering.

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