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meteor said:Is there any paper that can says when exactly in time the evolution of the universe change to be described by a difference equation to be described by differential equations?
IIRC Ashtekar's paper "Quantum Geometry in Action: Big Bang and Black Holes"
gives an estimate of several hundred steps (of the difference equation) to converge to the semi-classical model
it is the usual sort of limiting process
the quantum regime converges to the semiclassical (after a very short period on the order of 100 Planck time units)
and the semiclassical converges thereafter more gradually to
the ordinary or partial differential equation model
but as with other kinds of convergence one cannot say with precision the exact moment when
the discrete model stops being appropriate and the semiclassical model
begins to apply
there is a transition period when both are giving approximately the same answer
So what one needs is a rough order of magnitude idea of when the transition between models happens. If it is not in that Ashtekar paper then I must be thinking of one by Ashtekar, Bojowald, Lewandowski called
"Mathematical Structure of Loop Quantum Cosmology"
I will try to get a link and page reference for the several hundred Planck time units or DiffEq timesteps---it's in one or the other or both papers. May be other places as well so someone else could come up with yet another link.
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I forgot to get the references, however the one I mentioned first has something.
See page 10 of gr-qc/0202008, last paragraph of section 3.1 "Big Bang".
Ashtekar says there that the semiclassical model (Wheeler-DeWitt) is recovered when the scale of the universe is a few hundred Planck lengths. that is, very soon.
Also next to last paragraph on page 8.
I would like to find a more recent and more precise paper, in answer to your question. At the moment I don't have one. Perhaps someone else out there does.
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