Chain rule Definition and 511 Threads

  1. nomadreid

    I Chain Rule (partial derivatives): basic interpretation question

    The proof for the above ubiquitous formula (as in the summary) in "Chain rule for one independent variable" at the beginning of...
  2. L

    How Do You Prove the Multivariable Chain Rule?

    Hi, Im completly lost regarding the following exercise: Unfortunately, I don't understand how to prove the statement using the chain rule. The chain rule is always used if there is a composition, i.e. ##f\circ g=f(g(x))## then I first have to calculate ##g(x)## and insert this result into...
  3. M

    I Separation of variables and the chain rule

    Hi; given the equation ydy/dx=x^2 how is the chain rule applied to result in ydy =x^2dx? Thanks
  4. cianfa72

    I The Road to Reality - exercise on scalar product

    Hi, I'm keep studying The Road to Reality book from R. Penrose. In section 12.4 he asks to give a proof, by use of the chain rule, that the scalar product ##\alpha \cdot \xi=\alpha_1 \xi^1 + \alpha_2 \xi^2 + \dots \alpha_n \xi^n## is consistent with ##df \cdot \xi## in the particular case...
  5. C

    I Non-commutativity of unit polar bases

    I'm having trouble(s) showing that unit polar bases do not commute. Adapting <https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3288981> taking: ##\hat{\theta} = \frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial }{\partial \theta} ( =\frac{1}{r}\overrightarrow{e}_{\theta})## then ##\hat{r}\hat{\theta} = \frac{\partial...
  6. chwala

    Solve the given differential equation

    My interest is only on the highlighted part, i can clearly see that they made use of chain rule i.e by letting ##u=1+x^2## we shall have ##du=2x dx## from there the integration bit and working to solution is straightforward. I always look at such questions as being 'convenient' questions. Now...
  7. M

    Why Is the Chain Rule Not Used in Differentiating h(x) = 3f(x) + 8g(x)?

    For part(a), The solution is, However, why do they not take the derivative of the inner function (if it exists) of f(x) or g(x) using the chain rule? For example if ##f(x) = \sin(x^2)## Many thanks!
  8. binbagsss

    I Using the Chain Rule for Vector Calculus: A Tutorial

    This is probably a stupid question, but I have never realised that there's an order things should be done in the chain rule , so for example ## \nabla(\bf{v}.\bf{v})=2\bf{v} (\nabla\cdot \bf{v}) ## and not ## 2 \bf{v} \cdot \nabla \bf{v} ## Is there an obvious way to see / think of this...
  9. P

    Lienard-Wiechert Potential derivation, chain rule

    I want to follow the Lienard-Wiechert potential derivation in Robert Wald's E-M book, page 179. I do not understand $$dX(t_\text{ret})/dt$$ on the right side. I assume the chain rule is applied, but I can't see how. $$ \frac{\partial[x'^i - X^i(t - |\mathbf x - \mathbf x'|/c)]}{\partial x'^j} =...
  10. Expiring

    I Is My Proof of the Chain Rule Correct?

    I am currently self-studying Taylor and Mann's Advanced Calculus (3rd edition, specifically). I stumbled across their guidelines for a proof of the chain rule, leaving the rest of the proof up to the reader to complete. I was wondering if someone could look over my proof, and point out any...
  11. Fady Megally

    I Second derivative, chain rules and order of operations

    So the chain rule for second derivatives is $$ \frac {d^2 y} {d t^2} = \frac{d}{dx}(\frac {dy} {dx}) \cdot \frac {dx} {dt} \cdot \frac {dx} {dt} + \frac {dy} {dx} \cdot \frac {d^2 x} {d t^2} = \frac{d^2 y}{d x^2} \cdot (\frac {dx} {dt})^2 + \frac {dy} {dx} \cdot \frac {d^2 x} {d t^2}$$ Today I...
  12. D

    The below solution seems to assume that 1/0 = 0

    Hi everyone In the below problem, I understand that the chain rule is being used. The derivative is then equated to zero. Since the derivative is composed of dy/du and du/dx, the derivative will equal zero if either dy/du or du/dx equals zero. However, u would be everything under the square...
  13. topsquark

    MHB Chain Rule in Difference Calculus

    I'm having some problems using the chain rule and I'm not sure where the trouble lies. For example: If I'm not mistaken, if we have the composite function f(g(n)) then \Delta f(g(n)) = \dfrac{ \Delta f(g) }{ \Delta g } \dfrac{ \Delta g(n) }{ \Delta n } Let f(g(n)) = (n^2)^2. Then f(g) = g^2...
  14. AL107

    Derivatives and the chain rule

    I originally thought you’d have to use the chain rule to get h’, as in: f’(g(x))*g’(x). Plugging in 1 for x, I got an answer of 10. An online solution, however, said that you only had to get f(g(1)), which was f(-1), then look up f’(-1) in the table. Both approaches seem logical to me, but they...
  15. mopit_011

    Doubt In Explanation of Proof of Chain Rule

    In Chapter 3 of Thomas’s Calculus, they give the following proof of the Chain Rule. After the proof, the text says that this proof doesn’t apply when the function g(x) oscillates rapidly near the origin and therefore leads delta u to be 0 even when delta x is not equal to 0. Doesn’t this proof...
  16. aspiringastronomer

    Struggling in my freshman year of Physics at university

    If Tl;dr I am struggling in Math 171 and Physics 191 and throwing around the idea of declaring a geology major with an astronomy minor because the Physics major "juice is not worth the squeeze" at my age(29) anyone else out there who struggled with Calculus 1 when they first took it?Hello...
  17. M

    How to prove the chain rule for mutual information

    Hi, I was attempting the following problem and am a bit confused because I don't quite understand the structure/notation of how mutual information and entropy work when we have conditionals (a|b) and multiple events (a, b). Question: Prove the chain rule for mutual information. I(X_1, X_2...
  18. Poetria

    Chain rule (multivariable calculus)

    ##f_x=3*x^2+y## ##f_y=2*y+x## ##(3*(t^2)^2+e^{t-1})*2*t+(2*e^{t-1}+t^2)*e^{t-1}## Well, I am not sure how to evaluate it. I got a wrong result by multiplying by 0.1, i.e. ##((3*(t^2)^2+e^{t-1})*2*t+(2*e^{t-1}+t^2)*e^{t-1})*0.1## I guess it is trivial but I am lost. :(
  19. Istiak

    Understanding the Chain Rule in Multivariable Calculus

    But, If I use chain rule than, I get that. ##\vec v_i = \frac{dr_i}{dt}=\sum_k \frac{\partial r_i}{\partial q_k} \cdot \frac{\partial q_k}{\partial t}## But, they found that?
  20. mcastillo356

    Implicit differentiation: why apply the Chain Rule?

    Hi, PF ##y^2=x## is not a function, but it is possible to obtain the slope at any point ##(x,y)## of the equation without previously clearing ##y^2##. It's enough to differentiate respect to ##x## the two members, treat ##y## like a ##x## differentiable function and make use of the Chain Rule...
  21. PandaKitten

    Using chain rule when one of the variables is constant

    So first thing I tried was to separate the variables then differentiate by parts, setting u = E and v = 1/ln(E) (and the other way around) but I couldn't do the integral it gave. Then I tried to reason that because dx was constants then dE/dx is equal to E/x but I was told that's not the case...
  22. mcastillo356

    B Proof of Chain Rule: Understanding the Limits

    First I quote the text, and then the attempts to solve the doubts: "Proof of the Chain Rule Be ##f## a differentiable function at the point ##u=g(x)##, with ##g## a differentiable function at ##x##. Be the function ##E(k)## described this way: $$E(0)=0$$...
  23. E

    MHB Using Chain Rule to Solve Questions - A Step-by-Step Guide

    Hey everyone, could anyone help me figure out how to use chain rule to solve these questions in the attachments below?
  24. Kaguro

    Verifying Chain Rule for Partial Derivatives

    I have no answer or solution to this. So I'm trying to seek a confirmation of whether this is correct or not: ##df = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}dx + \frac{\partial f}{\partial t}dt ## ##\frac{df}{dt} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial x} \dot x + \frac{\partial f}{\partial t} ## Therefore, ##...
  25. Z

    I Why does the summation come from?

    I want to take the derivative of a composite function that looks like $$f( g(x), h(x) ).$$ I know from Wolfram that the answer is $$\frac{ df( g(x), h(x) ) }{ dx } = \frac{ dg(x) }{ dx }\frac{ df( g(x), h(x) ) }{ dg(x) } + \frac{ dh(x) }{ dx }\frac{ df( g(x), h(x) ) }{ dh(x) }.$$ We can...
  26. A

    Solving Derivatives with the Chain Rule

    Hello! Now this is not really a physics problem of the usual kind but I'd say you could consider it one.Still I'd like to post my problem here because here I always get great help and advice.Now for this problem in particular,it is in the section of the book that deals with derivatives so I...
  27. D

    MHB Using Chain rule to find derivatives....

    y = (csc(x) + cot(x) )^-1 Find dy/dx
  28. T

    I How to Differentiate Using the Chain Rule?

    I'm coming back to maths (calculus of variations) after a long hiatus, and am a little rusty. I can't remember how to do the following derivative: ## \frac{d}{d\epsilon}\left(\sqrt{1 + (y' + \epsilon g')^2}\right) ## where ##y, g## are functions of ##x## I know I should substitute say ##u = 1...
  29. A

    MHB How to Understand and Solve the Chain Rule Problem in Calculus?

    \[ \frac{\partial \dot{r}}{\partial \dot{q_k}} = \frac{\partial r}{\partial q_k} \] where \[ r = r(q_1,...,q_n,t \] solution \[ \frac{dr }{dt } = \frac{\partial r}{\partial t} + \sum_{i} \frac{\partial r}{\partial q_i}\frac{\partial q_i}{\partial t}\] \[ \dot{r} = \frac{\partial r}{\partial t}...
  30. cwill53

    I Chain Rule in Multiple Variables

    The following link leads to a question I asked on the mathematics Stack Exchange site. https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/3790900/chain-rule-with-a-function-depending-on-functions-of-different-variables/3791017?noredirect=1#comment7809514_3791017 I want to understand how the chain rule...
  31. T

    Higher order derivatives using the chain rule

    Mentor note: Fixed the LaTeX in the following I have the following statement: \begin{cases} u=x \cos \theta - y\sin \theta \\ v=x\sin \theta + y\cos \theta \end{cases} I wan't to calculate: $$\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}$$ My solution for ##\dfrac{\partial^2}{\partial...
  32. E

    I can't find my mistake in using the chain rule here

    I literally don't know what's going wrong today, I can't seem to get anything right :oldconfused:. The velocity in S' is easy enough $$v' = \frac{dx'}{dt'} = \frac{\partial f}{\partial t} \frac{\partial t}{\partial t'} + \frac{\partial f}{\partial x}\frac{\partial x}{\partial t}\frac{\partial...
  33. karush

    MHB Calculating the Derivative of a Function Using the Chain Rule

    find $F'(x)$ $$F(x)=(7x^6+8x^3)^4$$ chain rule $$4(7x^6+8x^3)^3(42x^5+24x^2)$$ factor $$4x^3(7x^3+8)^3 6x^2(7x^3+4)$$ ok W|A returned this but don't see where the 11 came from $$24 x^{11} (7 x^3 + 4) (7 x^3 + 8)^3$$
  34. B

    I Can the Chain Rule be Applied to Simplify Divergence in Entropy Equation?

    I am looking at the derivation for the Entropy equation for a Newtonian Fluid with Fourier Conduction law. At some point in the derivation I see \frac{1}{T} \nabla \cdot (-\kappa \nabla T) = - \nabla \cdot (\frac{\kappa \nabla T}{T}) - \frac{\kappa}{T^2}(\nabla T)^2 K is a constant and T...
  35. redtree

    I Chain rule for denominator in second order derivatives

    Given ## \frac{d^2x}{dy^2} ##, what is the chain rule for transforming to ##\frac{d^2 x}{dz^2} ##? (This is not a homework question)
  36. Math Amateur

    MHB The Chain Rule in n Dimensions .... Browder Theorem 8.15 - Another Question ....

    I am reading Andrew Browder's book: "Mathematical Analysis: An Introduction" ... ... I am currently reading Chapter 8: Differentiable Maps and am specifically focused on Section 8.2 Differentials ... ... I need some further help in order to fully understand the proof of Theorem 8.15 ...
  37. Math Amateur

    MHB The Chain Rule in n Dimensions .... Browder Theorem 8.15

    I am reading Andrew Browder's book: "Mathematical Analysis: An Introduction" ... ... I am currently reading Chapter 8: Differentiable Maps and am specifically focused on Section 8.2 Differentials ... ... I need some help in order to fully understand the proof of Theorem 8.15 ... Theorem 8.15...
  38. S

    I Exploring the Derivative of y(x,t) in Quantum Mechanics

    y(x,t) = 1/2 h(x-vt) + 1/2 h(x+vt) This is from the textbook "quantum mechancs" by Rae. The derivative is given as dy/dt = -v1/2 h(x-vt) + v1/2 h(x+vt) I'm not quite sure how this is? If I use the chain rule and set the function h(x-vt) = u Then by dy/dt = dy/du x du/dt I will get (for the...
  39. FreeThinking

    A Why does MTW keep calling the "product rule" the "chain rule"?

    MTW p 257, exercises 10.2 through 10.5: These exercises are all dealing with this familiar property of derivatives ∇ (AB) = ∇A B + A ∇ B . I learned this was called the "product rule". I learned that d/dx f(y(x)) = df/dy dy/dx is called the "chain rule". MTW keeps calling what I learned as the...
  40. S

    A How Does the Chain Rule Apply to Pushforwards in Differential Geometry?

    prove that if ##g:Y→Z## and ##f:X→Y## are two smooth maps between a smooth manifolds, then a homomorphism that induced are fulfilling :## (g◦f)∗=f∗◦g∗\, :\, H∙(Z)→H∙(X)## I must to prove this by a differential forms, but I do not how I can use them . I began in this way: if f∗ : H(Y)→H(X), g∗...
  41. berlinspeed

    A Two Covariant Derivatives (Chain Rule)?

    Summary: Failed find information on the internet, really appreciate any help. Can someone tell me what is ∇ϒ∇δ𝒆β? It seems to be equal to 𝒆μΓμβδ,ϒ+(𝒆νΓνμϒ)Γμβδ. Is this some sort of chain rule or is it by any means called anything?
  42. B

    I Basic doubt on chain rule in DAlemberts soln to wave equation

    In D Alembert's soln to wave equation two new variables are defined ##\xi## = x - vt ##\eta## = x + vt x is therefore a function of ##\xi## , ##\eta## , v and t. For fixed phase speed, v and given instant of time, x is a function of ##\xi## and ##\eta##. Therefore partial derivative of x w.r.t...
  43. Physics345

    Understanding the Chain Rule in Multivariable Calculus

    Solution: ##\frac{\partial z}{\partial x} = yx^{y -1}+1## ##\frac{\partial z}{\partial t} =\frac{\partial z}{\partial x}\frac{\partial x}{\partial t}+\frac{\partial z}{\partial y}\frac{\partial y}{\partial t}## ##\frac{\partial z}{\partial t} = (\frac{yx^{y-1} + 1}{2\sqrt{s+t}}) +...
  44. M

    Multivariable Chain Rule Question

    For context, we have an equation f(x,y) = \frac{x}{y} and we had used the substitutions x = r \cos\theta and y = r \sin\theta . In the previous parts of the question, we have shown the following result: \frac{\partial f}{\partial x} = \cos\theta \Big(\frac{\partial f}{\partial r}\Big) -...
  45. Boltzman Oscillation

    Help explaining the chain rule please

    I had already calculated the first partial derivative to equal the following: $$\frac{\partial y}{\partial t} = \frac{\partial v}{\partial x} \frac{\partial x}{\partial t} + \frac{\partial v}{\partial t}$$ Now the second partial derivative I can use the chain rule to do and get to...
  46. A

    I Understanding the Chain Rule Equation: Explained with Examples

    If we have an equation ##g (q,w) =f(q,-w)## and we want to find the derivative of that equation with respect to w, we would normally do $$\frac {dg}{dw} = \frac {d}{dw} f(q,-w) = \frac {df}{d(-w)} \frac {d(-w)}{dw} = -\frac {df}{d(-w)} $$ but my friend is saying that $$\frac {dg}{dw}= -\frac...
  47. Robin04

    Solving Chain Rule Problem with Equation (7.8)

    Homework Statement https://digitalcommons.usu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=foundation_wave I'm trying to understand this paper and I'm stuck at equation (7.8). That part of the text is very short so I hope you don't mind if I don't copy the equations here. Homework...
  48. F

    I Chain Rule and acceleration as a function of two variables

    Hello Forum, When the force ##F## and its resulting acceleration ##a## have the most general form, the acceleration can depend on the position ##x##, time ##t## and speed ##v##. Newton's second law is given by ## \frac {d^2x}{d^2t}= a(x,t,v)##. When the acceleration is only a function of...
  49. Math Amateur

    I The Chain Rule for Multivariable Vector-Valued Functions ....

    I am reading Tom M Apostol's book "Mathematical Analysis" (Second Edition) ... I am focused on Chapter 12: Multivariable Differential Calculus ... and in particular on Section 12.9: The Chain Rule ... ... I need help in order to fully understand Theorem 12.7, Section 12.9 ... Theorem 12.7...
  50. Math Amateur

    MHB The Chain Rule for Multivariable Vector-Valued Functions .... ....

    I am reading Tom M Apostol's book "Mathematical Analysis" (Second Edition) ...I am focused on Chapter 12: Multivariable Differential Calculus ... and in particular on Section 12.9: The Chain Rule ... ...I need help in order to fully understand Theorem 12.7, Section 12.9 ...Theorem 12.7...
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