Entropy Definition and 1000 Threads

  1. ab_kein

    I Direct Gibbs energy calculation from molecular dynamics

    I've seen a lot of articles, where people calculate free Gibbs energy of system using several methods in some sense indirect methods, but I've never seen it is being calculated using its definition: $$ \Phi=U+pV-TS $$ Imagine a big MD system at its equilibrium in a box with periodic boundary...
  2. L

    Entropy Change Confusion

    Method 1 is the standard and (probably) the correct answer. I was fiddling around with it and don't understand why I get a different answer using method 2. If the gas is changing pressure, then it is changing volume. So why can't I sum up the entropy changes using method 2? Using method 2 with...
  3. T

    A Entropy increase in proton/proton collision?

    Does entropy increase when two protons collide at moderate velocity? Is momentum of one fully transferred to the other. Is the vector coming in more certain than the vector going out after the event. I guess the answer might invoke the uncertainty principle but is there some certainty with...
  4. Z

    Chemistry How to reason about Gibbs energy change due to entropy not enthalpy?

    Before we prove this, consider a thought experiment. We have the following setup We break the left partition so that the gases on the left mix. What happens next is that due to a chemical potential difference, gas flows from the right compartment to the mixture. Note that - the partial...
  5. B

    Thermal Physics Kittel chapter 6 -- Entropy of mixing problem

    I've been working on this problem for the past 3 days. I have other papers with different ways of tackling the problem. However, I just cannot get to the answer (change in entropy = 2Nlog(2)).
  6. L

    I Availability at fixed pressure and temperature

    We define ##dA=dU+P_0dV-T_0dS \leq 0##. In my notes it says if you fix pressure and entropy, ##dA=dH##. I don't get this, because at constant T and S, I get ##dA=dU+P_0V##. It seems that somehow, ##P_0=P##. Is this correct, or am I missing something? Second question about this: If ##T_0=T##...
  7. L

    Thermodynamics: deriving expression for S = S(T, V, N) - constant problems

    I have an issue with (b). What I did was simply integrate ##dS##. It's a perfect gas, so, $$\left(\frac{\partial E}{\partial T}\right)_V=NC_V$$ and $$\left(\frac{\partial E}{\partial V}\right)_T=0$$ Next I used the relation that ##PV=NkT## to get ##\frac{P}{T}=\frac{Nk}{T}##, and after...
  8. L

    Why entropy change is different

    I tried two different methods when solving this question and have no idea why. Method 1: Using the Maxwell relation of $$\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_T=\left(\frac{\partial P}{\partial T}\right)_V=\frac{R}{V-b}$$ then integrating it, I get $$\Delta S = \int_i^f\frac{R}{V-b}dV$$...
  9. L

    Reversible, adiabatic expansion - Entropy Change

    Answer for (d) is 0, answer for (e) is not. Firstly, I don't get why (e) is not zero. It says "the same expansion" so that expansion is reversible. Reversible processes -> entropy = 0? Secondly, part (e) seems to be the exact same as (d) so I'm not sure why it's different! Thanks in advance
  10. L

    Clausius' Theorem and Entropy

    Okay, I agree with this logic. However, if we consider a reversible section first, then an irreversible section, I get the following: $$\frac{dQ_{rev}}{T} \leq \frac{dQ}{T} $$ which is the opposite to equation (14.8). Why is this? Is it "somehow" not viable to think of a reversible section than...
  11. E

    Looking for feedback on how the scientopics are presented in my story

    I wrote a homage to Asimov's story "The Last Question". I tried to use modern insights on the topics that were touched upon in the original story. Those are, amongst others, Pernrose's CCC, Carols's suggested related relation between entropy and time and several others. I wonder if I...
  12. S

    Creating Entropy For Cryptographic Purposes

    Hello, My name is Mason C. Turner and I work in the cybersecurity field. My background includes both military communications as well as private sector experience. According to the laws of physics, to the best of my understanding information and energy are directly interchangeable in a...
  13. Z

    Chemistry How does it work to mix two gases reversibly in this device?

    Consider the problem of calculating the entropy change when we mix two ideal gases. Here is the setup The initial state consists of two ideal gases separated by a partition. We remove the partition and the gases diffuse into each other at constant temperature and pressure. This is an...
  14. runinfang

    Thermodynamics: Possible process between a van der Waals gas and an ideal gas

    Since the energy variation is zero: $$ \Delta U = \Delta U_{1} + \Delta U_{2} = 0 $$ The energy for a monatomic ideal gas is ## u = CRT##, and the energy for a Van der Waals gas is $$ u = CRT - \frac{a}{v}, $$ obtained through $$ \frac{1}{T} = \frac{CR}{a + \frac{a}{v}}. $$ Summing the...
  15. Z

    Chemistry For irreversible process from state 1 to 2, why can the system not be isolated for reversible process from 1 to 2?

    Then $$q_{irrev}=0\tag{1}$$ Take the system from state 2 back to state 1 using a reversible process B. My first question is: why can the system not be isolated for this reversible process to be possible? Assume we have a non-isolated system in process B. Process A and process B together...
  16. Z

    Chemistry How to integrate a sum of two entropy differentials?

    Here is a way to solve the problem. Since ##dq_1=-dq_2## then $$\int_{T_1}^T C_PdT=-\int_{T_2}^T C_PdT\tag{1}$$ $$\implies T=\frac{T_1+T_2}{2}\tag{2}$$ $$dq_1=C_PdT\tag{3}$$ $$dS_1=\frac{dq_1}{T}=\frac{C_P}{T}dT\tag{4}$$ $$\Delta...
  17. Ignorantsmith12

    B Is it possible to apply thermodynamics to magnetic/weak/nuclear fields

    When I was taught about temperature in high school, I was told that substances that are hot have molecules that move fast, while substances that are cold have molecules that move slowly. I was also told that everything moves towards greater disorder or entropy. This is apparently because there...
  18. Z

    Chemistry Is the differential of heat in a reversible process in an isolated system equal to zero?

    If a process is irreversible, on the other hand, then $$\oint \frac{\delta q}{T}\leq 0=\oint dS\tag{1}$$ Apparently, from this equation we can conclude that $$dS \geq \frac{\delta q}{T}\tag{2}$$ How do we mathematically justify the step from (1) to (2)? Next, consider an isolated system...
  19. A

    I H-theorem and conservation of the Gibbs entropy

    My understanding of the Boltzmann's H-theorem is that if a set of a large number of colliding bolls is not in the thermodynamical equilibrium (i.e. the probability distribution function W doesn't obey the Maxwell distribution), its entropy will grow (without supplying heat) until the equilibrium...
  20. domephilis

    Change in Entropy When Mixing Water at Different Temperatures

    After re-reading the book, I did figure out what I was supposed to do. Take both waters through a series of reservoirs to bring them down to their final temperature while allowing for a quasi-static process. Thus, $$\Delta S = m_1c \int_{T_1}^{T*} \frac{dT}{T} + m_2c \int_{T_2}^{T*}...
  21. Z

    Chemistry Entropy in isolated composite system for irreversible process

    I am using the symbol ##\delta## in ##\delta q_{rev}## and ##\delta w## to denote an inexact differential. $$\delta q_{rev}=C_VdT+\frac{nRT}{V}dV$$ We can turn this inexact differential into an exact differential by multiplying by the integrating factor ##\frac{1}{T}##. $$\frac{\delta...
  22. Z

    Chemistry No heat exchange with the surroundings in an irreversible expansion of an ideal gas?

    My doubts are about the second question above, ie the irreversibly expansion. For the first question, we have a) $$dS=\frac{dq_{rev}}{T}=\frac{nR}{V}dV$$ $$\implies \Delta S=nR\ln{\frac{V_2}{V_1}}=2.88\mathrm{\frac{J}{K}}$$ b) $$q_{rev}=T\Delta S=298.15\text{K}\cdot...
  23. Z

    Chemistry Show that book levitation by absorption of heat violates 2nd law

    Let's consider the book to be our system. The book spontaneously absorbs heat from the surroundings and somehow converts this to gravitational potential energy. Assuming gravitational potential energy is zero at the table top, the potential energy at ##3.2\text{cm}## above the table is...
  24. Z

    Chemistry Two approaches to calculating entropy differ by factor of two. Why?

    Here is how I did this problem Let's call the two samples sample 1 and sample 2. The change in entropy for sample 1 is $$\Delta S_1=\int dS_1=\int_{U_1}^{U_1+\Delta U}\frac{1}{T_1}dU\tag{1}$$ $$=\frac{1}{T_1}\Delta U\tag{2}$$ Similarly, ##\Delta S_2=-\frac{1}{T_2}\Delta U##. Note that I...
  25. cianfa72

    I Feynman's Brownian Ratchet analysis

    Hi, as in a previous thread I would like to better understand the Feynman's analysis of brownian ratchet as described here: https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/I_46.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_ratchet Consider the case in which the two boxes (i.e. heat baths) are at the same...
  26. cianfa72

    I An experiment against the second law of thermodynamics

    Hi, soppose we have a resistor at a given temperature T connected through a diode to a cell battery. The voltage accross the resistor due to thermal noise should charge the cell converting termal energy into chemical energy without limits. Does the above process violate the second law of...
  27. ergospherical

    Entropy of disks in a 2d box

    I'd like to check if my reasoning is right here and that the numerical factors in the final result are correct. The disks occupy an effective area ##A = (A_{\mathrm{box}}-2r)^2##, excluding the region of width ##r## at the boundary. The area available to the ##n##th disk is then ##A_n = A - 4\pi...
  28. A

    B Change in entropy of reversible isothermal process

    So I had to find change in entropy of system in reversible isothermal process. $$T\Delta S_{sys.}=Q\implies \Delta S_{sys.}=nRln\left(\frac{V_2}{V_1}\right)$$ This was good because for isothermal process ##\Delta U=0\implies Q=W## Then I read this Throughout an entire reversible process, the...
  29. Omega0

    B Why Does Black Hole Entropy and Information Loss Matter?

    We know that there is no law of conservation for the entropy. It is quite the contrary: If we have a closed system without exchange of heat the entropy cannot get less. It will reach the max. If we have not a closed system but a stream of entropy only into a system, the entropy will increase...
  30. J

    B Ideas regarding gravity and entropy

    I've never had any physics class before so please bare with me on my lack of understanding. I've been thinking about gravity and its relation to entropy lately and was wondering if my thinking is correct. Entropy seems to be an opposing force to gravity. where gravity is creating gradients...
  31. ab_kein

    I Two-body correlation function computation

    I'm studying how to compute excess entropy in molecular dynamics (MD). I've found it is needed to compute the two-body correlation function (neglecting high-order terms), the details can be found, for example, in this article. So the definition of correlation function (CF for short) is ##C(t...
  32. Kinker

    A Are irreversible processes absolutely irreversible, even given infinite time?

    Entropy reduction or quantum phenomena can occur microscopically, but entropy reduction is absolutely impossible by chance, and if a macroscopic object's wave function collapses due to measurement, does that mean that the macroscopic object will never be able to cause quantum phenomena? Even in...
  33. tracker890 Source h

    Why is the entropy value of this steady flow open system not equal to zero?

    Q: Why the entropy value of this steady flow open system is not equal to zero? My idea is as represented by the following equation. $$ \frac{dS_{sys}}{dt}=0,\,\,\,\,dt\ne 0 $$ $$ \therefore dS_{sys}=0\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\therefore ∆Ssys=∆Sair=0 $$ $$ \therefore...
  34. S

    I Entropy reversal in an infinite static universe?

    As far as I know, entropy could be reversed by the Poincaré recurrence theorem if it had a finite horizon given by some amount of vacuum energy causing an accelerating expansion. However, I found this lecture by Leonard Susskind () where he tells a way through which the vacuum could decay into...
  35. S

    I Could entropy be reversed eventually in the far future?

    In the far future there will be most likely a point where a maximal state of entropy will be reached in the universe and after the last black hole evaporates there could be no more structures and no more work could be done. According to the Poincaré recurrence theorem for a closed universe...
  36. R

    I Is low entropy found in something very hot?

    If we have a kg of something that is 100miljon Celsius degrees, and can controlably use this heat somehow, we can sustain life, grow crops, drive steam engines and with these we could build a whole city like New York, we can create a lot of mass with very low entropy, things that are very...
  37. Entropix

    What is the Mixed Arrangements term and formula?

    My studies relate with construction engineering and environment improvements and I have a passion about combinatorics and exact sciences. I'm always in touch with the novel things that pop out in science related media. I don't like when people start make politics upon science findings. I'm the...
  38. H

    I Entropy Real? End of Time? - Veritasium Video

    Is entropy real? It seems like it's not real because it depends on how you group microstates together into a macrostate, and the way you group them can be arbitrary. For example (at 13:04 of the video below), there are 91,520 microstates in the macrostate “9 in left; 1 in right” but 627,264...
  39. E

    I Why does Callen insist a process must be reversible here?

    In a discussion about the (change in the) Helmholtz potential being interpretable as the maximum available amount of work for a system in contact with a thermal reservoir (i.e. the free energy), Callen seems to insist this fact is true only for reversible processes. Why should this be? I...
  40. E

    I Helmholtz entropy of ideal gas mixture is additive?

    In his classic textbook, Callen remarks that I have labelled the claims (1) and (2). I am not sure about either. For the first, I have tried to proceed as follows (all equations are from Callen's second edition and all 0 subscripts are with respect to some reference state of an ideal gas): I...
  41. E

    I How can the maximum entropy and minimum energy principles be physical?

    In Chapter 5 of his famous textbook on thermodynamics, Callen argues for the "equivalence" of the maximum entropy (Max-Ent) principle and the minimum energy (Min-En) principles. I quote from Callen first: As far as I know (though Callen never makes this explicit in what, I think, represents...
  42. E

    I How to know when a reversible process between end states exists?

    I am continuing to try to understand maximum work reversible processes (and a subset thereof -- Carnot cycles) better. I am here curious about the following system. My question is about how I can know/prove that there exists a way to take the gas (the primary subsystem) reversibly with respect...
  43. E

    I Confusion on Callen's Maximum Work Theorem

    This question was, effectively, asked here (please refer to that question for additional context); however, I don't think the given answer is correct (or at least complete) despite my having added a bounty and having had a productive discussion with the answerer there. In particular, I don't...
  44. S

    I Confusion about the entropy of mixing

    Hello everyone, I am seeking some clarification regarding a question related to thermodynamics and statistical mechanics. My understanding is that when we combine two identical boxes with the same ideal gas by removing the wall between them, the resulting system's entropy stays the same...
  45. .Scott

    B Crossing the Bekenstein Bound at Black Hole Event Horizon

    The Bekenstein Bound places a upper limit on the amount of entropy that a given volume of space may contain. This limit was described by Jacob Bekenstein who tied it quite closely to the Black Hole Event Horizon. Put simply, black holes hold the maximum entropy allowed for their volume. If you...
  46. L

    B Entropy & Information Content: Examining the Difference

    What does entropy in the following sentence means? Does it mean the same as the term "information content" before it? Is entropy more technical a term than information content? He remembered taking a class in information theory as a third-year student in college. The professor had put up two...
  47. E

    Express entropy density in terms of energy density (Ashcroft/Mermin)

    The starting point is the identity $$\left(\frac{\partial u}{\partial T}\right)_n = T\left(\frac{\partial s}{\partial T}\right)_n.$$ I then try to proceed as follows: Integrating both with respect to ##T## after dividing through by ##T##, we find $$ \int_0^T \left(\frac{\partial s}{\partial...
  48. S

    A Origin of BH Entropy & Info Missing Puzzle Resolution

    Dear everyone, I wish to discuss in this thread a classic/semi-classic interpretation on the origin of Bekenstein-Hawking entropy and the related resolution to Hawking's information missing puzzle, which were published in Nucl.Phys.B977 (2022) 115722 and Nucl.Phys.B990 (2023) 116171 after...
  49. P

    How to Calculate the Molar Entropy of H2O(g) at 25°C and 1 bar?

    Hi everyone! It's about the following task: Calculate the molar entropy of H2O(g) at 25°C and 1 bar. θrot = 40.1, 20.9K, 13.4K θvib=5360K, 5160K, 2290K g0,el = 1 Note for translational part: ln(x!) = x lnx - x Can you explain me how to calculate this problem?
  50. FoFi_Olli

    I Calculating Entropy & Enthalpy: SRK, Wilson, Antoine & Clausius-Clapeyron

    I would like to calculate the entropy or enthalpies (steam, specific and inner energy) using the SRK [suave-redlich-kwong] equation, the Wilson approximation and (if necessary) the Antoine equation. and the Clausius-Clapeyron equation for a mixture of 0.199 mol/l nitrogen and 0.811 mol/l carbon...
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