Expectation values Definition and 122 Threads

  1. LightPhoton

    I How to "derive" momentum operator in position basis using STE?

    I am not able to use Latex for some reason. It is very glitchy and if I do one backspace then it fills my whole screen with multiple copies of the same equation. Thus I am pasting a screenshot of handwritten equations instead. Apologies for any inconvenience. In Introduction to Quantum...
  2. B

    Relation between Mutual information and Expectation Values

    I've make progress in obtaining the values for the mutual information using the following: $I(\rho_A:\rho_B) = S(\rho_A) +S(\rho_B) - S(\rho_{AB}) = 1 + 1 - 0 = 2.$ I would like to compute the expectation but I'm facing a problem in the case of $\langle\psi |\mathcal{O}_A|\psi \rangle$ since...
  3. VVS2000

    I Other ways of finding expectation value of momentum

    Apart from the usual integral method, are there any other ways to find expectation value of momentum? I know one way is by using ehrenfest theorem, relating it time derivative of expectation value of position operator. Even using the uncertainty principle, we might get it if we know the...
  4. A

    Expectation Values <E> and <E^2>

    I first normalized the given wavefunction and found the value of n that satisfies the normalization condition. I then used E = <E> = pi^2* h_bar^2* n^2/(2*m) to get the expectation value of energy. Assuming that this was the right process, I'm now trying to find <E^2> using the same equation...
  5. astrocytosis

    Darwin term in a hydrogen atom - evaluating expectation values

    Homework Statement Homework Equations VD= -1/(8m2c2) [pi,[pi,Vc(r)]] VC(r) = -Ze2/r Energy shift Δ = <nlm|VD|nlm> The Attempt at a Solution I can't figure out how to evaluate the expectation values that result from the Δ equation. When I do out the commutator, I get p2V-2pVp+Vp2. This...
  6. redtree

    I Expectation value of Fourier conjugates

    I understand that the Uncertainty Principle relates the variances of Fourier conjugates. I am having trouble finding: 1) the mathematical relationship between the expectation values of Fourier conjugates generally; 2) and then specifically for a normalized Gaussian. Any suggestions or insights?
  7. learn.steadfast

    I Hermitian and expectation values.... imaginary?

    I've been studying quantum mechanics, and working problems to get a feel for expectation values and what causes them to be real. I was working the problem of finite 1D wells, when I came across a situation I did not understand. A stationary state solution is made up of a forward and reverse...
  8. Technon

    I Expectation Value of f(x): Physical Meaning

    The expectation value of any function ##f(x)## is given by <f(x)>= \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}f(x)\psi^2(x) dx But what is ##f(x)## actually? In a physical sense. For example if ##f(x)=x## or ##f(x)=x^2##, what do these functions represent on a physical level?
  9. gasar8

    Which particles can have vacuum expectation values and why?

    Homework Statement Can someone explain to me what particles (fermions, scalar/vector bosons, gravitons, ...) can have their vacuum expectation values and why? Which components of these fields can have VEV-s? The Attempt at a Solution I am assuming only scalar boson fields have it (like Higgs...
  10. thariya

    A Independence of Operator expectation values

    Hi! I want to know under what conditions the operator expectation values of a product of operators can be expressed as a product of their individual expectation values. Specifically, under what conditions does the following relation hold for quantum operators (For my specific purpose, these are...
  11. C

    Expectation values and probabilities for spinors in a well

    Working on a homework at the moment involving spinors. The algebra isn't hard at all, I just want to make sure my understanding is right and I'm not doing this incorrectly. 1. Homework Statement An electron in a one-dimensional infinite well in the region 0≤x≤a is described by the spinor ψ(x)...
  12. RJLiberator

    Expressing expectation values of a particle moving in a periodic potential

    Homework Statement A particle moving in a periodic potential has one-dimensional dynamics according to a Hamiltonian ## \hat H = \hat p_x^2/2m+V_0(1-cos(\hat x))## a) Express ## \frac{d <\hat x>}{dt}## in terms of ##<\hat p_x>##. b) Express ## \frac{d <\hat p_x>}{dt}## in terms of ##<sin(\hat...
  13. W

    Quantum Mechanics: Expectation values (Griffiths)

    Homework Statement A few questions: Q1) How does 1.29 flow to 1.30 and 1.31? How was the integral-by-parts done? Q2) The author states that <v> = d<x>/dt represents the expectation value of velocity. What does this actually mean? I tried to rationalise that d<x>/dt represented the velocity...
  14. D

    I Factorising expectation values

    Hi. I came across the following in the solution to a question I was looking , regarding expectation values of momentum in 3-D < p12p22p32 > = < p12 > < p22 > <p32 > ie. the expectation value has been factorised. I can't figure out why this is true and also why it doesn't apply to the following...
  15. G

    Expectation values as a phase space average of Wigner functions

    Hi. I'm trying to prove that [\Omega] = \int dq \int dp \, \rho_{w}(q,p)\,\Omega_{w}(q,p) where \rho_{w}(q,p) = \frac{1}{2\pi\hbar} \int dy \, \langle q-\frac{y}{2}|\rho|q+\frac{y}{2}\rangle\,\exp(i\frac{py}{\hbar}) is the Wigner function, being \rho a density matrix. On the other hand...
  16. B

    Expectation values and commutation relations

    Homework Statement I am trying to calculate the expectation value of ##\hat{P}^3## for the harmonic oscillator in energy eigenstate ##|n\rangle## Homework EquationsThe Attempt at a Solution [/B] ##\hat{P}^3 = (i \sqrt{\frac{\hbar \omega m}{2}} (\hat{a}^\dagger - \hat{a}))^3 = -i(\frac{\hbar...
  17. Leechie

    Finding Spin Expectation Values At Any Time t > 0

    Homework Statement Write down a spinor that represents the spin state of the particle at any time t > 0. Use the expression to find the expectation values of ##S_x## and ##S_y## Homework Equations The particle is a spin-##\frac 1 2## particle, the gyromagnetic ratio is ##\gamma_s \lt 0##, and...
  18. M

    Wavefunction normalisation and expectation values

    Homework Statement See Image, Sorry Its easier for me to attach images than writing all equation on the forum's keyboard! I only need to check if I'm working it out correctly up to the position expectation value because I don't want to dive in the rest on wrong basis ! Homework Equations...
  19. D

    Expectation values of the quantum harmonic oscillator

    Homework Statement Show the mean position and momentum of a particle in a QHO in the state ψγ to be: <x> = sqrt(2ħ/mω) Re(γ) <p> = sqrt (2ħmω) Im(γ) Homework Equations ##\psi_{\gamma} (x) = Dexp((-\frac{mw(x-<x>)^2}{2\hbar})+\frac{i<p>(x-<x>)}{ħ})##The Attempt at a Solution I put ψγ into...
  20. F

    Expectation values linear harmonic oscillator

    hello :-) here is my problem...: 1. Homework Statement For a linear harmonic oscillator, \hat{H} = \frac{\hat{p}^2}{2m} + \frac{1}{2} m \omega^2x^2 a) show that the expectation values for position, \bar{x}, and momentum \bar{p} oscillate around zero with angular frequency \omega. Hint...
  21. D

    A Expectation values and trace over the environment

    I've worked through a Stern Gerlach experiment for the Sx and Sz directions using the density matrix formalism to account for the environment. This shows a result which I think is correct but relies on decoherence to give the "actual" value. I'm not confident about the result though. Would...
  22. J

    I Free Particle: Time dependence of expectation values Paradox

    It would be really appreciated if somebody could clarify something for me: I know that stationary states are states of definite energy. But are all states of definite energy also stationary state? This question occurred to me when I considered the free particle(plane wave, not a Gaussian...
  23. L

    Simple (Constant) Wavefunction -- Find Uncertainty In p^2

    Homework Statement Given the following wave function valid over -a \le x \le a and which is 0 elsewhere, \psi(x) = 1/\sqrt{2a} Find the uncertainty in \left<\left(\Delta p\right)^2\right> momentum, and the uncertainty product \left<\left(\Delta x\right)^2\right>\left<\left(\Delta...
  24. phys-student

    Finding expectation values for given operators

    Homework Statement The Hamiltonian of an electron in solids is given by H. We know that H is an Hermitian operator, it satisfies the following eigenvalue equation: H|Φn> = εn|Φn> Let us define the following operators in terms of H as: U = e^[(iHt)/ħ] , S = sin[(Ht)/ħ] , G = (ε -...
  25. edguy99

    Adding expectation values to a CHSH animation

    An animation of the CHSH experiment to generate correlated photons is at: http://www.animatedphysics.com/games/photon_longdistance_chsh.htm @georgir has a program to show the calculations using the formula for photon detection return Math.random() < (Math.cos(r(p-a)*2)+1)/2; yields the...
  26. gfd43tg

    Expectation values r and x for electron in H2 ground state

    Homework Statement Homework Equations $$ \psi_{100} = \frac {1}{\sqrt{\pi a^{3}}} e^{-r/a} $$ The Attempt at a Solution a) $$\langle r \rangle = \frac {1}{\pi a^{3}} \int_0^{2 \pi} d \phi \int_{0}^\pi d \theta \int_0^{\infty} r^{3} e^{-2r/a} dr$$ This comes out to be ##\frac {3}{2}a##...
  27. Z

    Why does expectation values are always nonnegative?

    Why does the expectation values of some operators, such as 'number' operator ##a^\dagger a## and atomic population operator ##\sigma^\dagger\sigma##, are always nonnegative? Can we prove this from a mathematical point? For example, are these operators positive semidefinite?
  28. D

    Expectation Value of Operator A: c or Complex Conjugate?

    If I have the following expectation value for a general operator A < psi | cA | psi > where c is a complex constant and I want to take c outside the bracket does it go as c or its complex conjugate ?
  29. T

    What makes expectation values real?

    If you have some wave function of some particle, say... |¥> And you calculate the expectation value of momentum, say... <¥|p|¥> What ensures that that spatial integral is real valued? Separately, all the components of the integral are complex valued
  30. Ryuzaki

    Question concerning the expected position of an object

    Suppose there's an object within a sphere of radius 5-metres from a given point P=(x_0,y_0,z_0). The probabilities of the object being within 0-1, 1-2, 2-3, 3-4 and 4-5 metres of P are given to be respectively p_1,p_2,p_3,p_4 and p_5. With this information, is it possible to find the expected...
  31. R

    U(0)=0 for real expectation values of momentum

    Homework Statement The position-space representation of the radial component of the momentum operator is given by ## p_r \rightarrow \frac{\hbar}{i}\left ( \frac{\partial }{\partial r} + \frac{1}{r}\right ) ## Show that for its expectation value to be real:## \left \langle \psi|p_r|\psi \right...
  32. S

    How Do You Calculate RMS Displacement for an Oscillating H2 Molecule?

    Homework Statement The question is as stated: "The ##H_2## molecule has oscillatory excitations. In classical physics the energy can be approximated to \begin{equation} E = \frac{p^2}{2m} + \frac{m \omega^2 x^2}{2} \end{equation}where m is the reduced mass. Quantum mechanics can be applied to...
  33. carllacan

    Expectation values for an harmonic oscillator

    Homework Statement Find the expectation values of x and p for the state \vert \alpha \rangle = e^{-\frac{1}{2}\vert\alpha\vert^2}exp(\alpha a^{\dagger})\vert 0 \rangle, where ##a## is the destruction operator. Homework Equations Destruction and creation operators ##a=Ax+Bp##...
  34. Ravi Mohan

    Expectation values of unbounded operator

    I am reading an intriguing article on rigged Hilbert space http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0502053 On page 8, the author describes the need for rigged Hilbert space. For that, he considers an unbounded operator A, corresponding to some observable in space of square integrable functions...
  35. H

    Are all selfadjoint operators in quantum mechanics bounded?

    Hi, I'd like to know if the following statement is true: Let \hat{A}, \hat{B} be operators for any two observables A, B. Then \langle \hat{A} \rangle_{\psi} = \langle \hat{B} \rangle_{\psi} \forall \psi implies \hat{A} = \hat{B} . Here, \langle \hat{A} \rangle_{\psi} =...
  36. X

    Expectation Values - Quantum Calculations

    Homework Statement \Psi (x) = C e^{i k_{0} x} e^{\frac{-x^{2}}{2 a^{2}}} Find \left\langle x \right\rangle, \left\langle x^{2} \right\rangle, \left\langle p \right\rangle, \left\langle p^{2} \right\rangle.Homework Equations Operators make a "psi-sandwich": \left\langle x \right\rangle =...
  37. D

    Probability of measuring E in a Hydrogen atom, and expectation values

    Homework Statement Hey guys, so here's the question: The energy eigenstates of the hydrogen atom \psi_{n,l,m} are orthonormal and labeled by three quantum numbers: the principle quantum number n and the orbital angular momentum eigenvalues l and m. Consider the state of a hydrogen atom at t=0...
  38. C

    Schrodinger half spin states expectation values

    Homework Statement What is the expectation value of \hat{S}_{x} with respect to the state \chi = \begin{pmatrix} 1\\ 0 \end{pmatrix}? \hat{S}_{x} = \frac{\bar{h}}{2}\begin{pmatrix} 0&1\\ 1&0 \end{pmatrix}Homework Equations <\hat{S}_{x}> = ∫^{\infty}_{-\infty}(\chi^{T})^{*}\hat{S}_{x}\chi...
  39. D

    Bra-kets and operator formalism in QM - Expectation values of momentum

    Homework Statement sup guys! I think I've solved this set of problems, but I was just wondering if I've done it right - I have no way to tell. I'll put all the questions and answers here - plus the stuff I used. So could you please tell me if there's any mistakes? Here it is - using Word...
  40. Q

    Expectation values with annihilation/creation operators

    Homework Statement Calculate <i(\hat{a} - \hat{a^{t}})> Homework Equations |\psi > = e^{-\alpha ^{2}/2} \sum \frac{(\alpha e^{i\phi })^n}{\sqrt{n!}} |n> \hat{a}|n> = \sqrt{n}|n-1> I derived: \hat{a}|\psi> = (\alpha e^{i\phi})^{-1}|\psi> The Attempt at a Solution...
  41. F

    Showing the expectation values of a system are real quantities

    Homework Statement A one-dimension system is in a state described by the normalisable wave function Ψ(x,t) i.e. Ψ → 0 for x → ±∞. (a) Show that the expectation value of the position ⟨x⟩ is a real quantity. [1] (b) Show that the expectation value of the momentum in the x-direction ⟨p⟩...
  42. K

    Can Independence Simplify Calculating Expectation Values in Probability?

    Homework Statement f(x,y)=6a^{-5}xy^{2} 0≤x≤a and 0≤y≤a, 0 elsewhere Show that \overline{xy}=\overline{x}.\overline{y} Homework Equations \overline{x}=\int^{∞}_{-∞}{x.f(x)dx} The Attempt at a Solution \overline{x}=\int^{∞}_{-∞}{x.f(x)dx} =\int^{a}_{0}{x.6a^{-5}xy^{2}dx}...
  43. J

    Product rule of derivative of expectation values

    Hello, first post here. I am preparing for my Introductory Quantum Mechanics course, and in the exam questions, we are asked to use Ehrenfest's theorem to show that \frac{d}{dt}\langle \vec{r}\cdot \vec{p} \rangle = \langle 2T-\vec{r}\cdot \nabla V \rangle Now, from other results...
  44. B

    Spin expectation values in x and y direction

    I have found what I think is the correct answer I just want to check an assumption. The magnetic field points in the +ve z-direction. We are given the initial state vector \left| A \right\rangle_{initial}=\frac{1}{5}\left[ \begin{array}{c}3\\4\end{array} \right] Am I right in thinking that...
  45. L

    Vacuum expectation values of combinations of ##a^\dagger## and ##a##

    I am slightly confused on how do we calculate vacuum expectation values of product of creation and annihilation operators for bosons, e.g. ##\langle 0| a_{k_1} a^\dagger_{k_2} a_{k_3} a^\dagger_{k_4} |0 \rangle## If i commute ##k_3## and ##k_4##: $$\langle 0| a_{k_1} a^\dagger_{k_2}...
  46. tomwilliam2

    Expectation values of Kin energy in Bra-Ket notation

    Homework Statement Confirm explicitly that ##\frac{1}{2m}\langle \hat{p}_x \Psi | \hat{p}_x \Psi \rangle## cannot be negative. Homework Equations ##-i\hbar \frac{\partial}{\partial x} = \hat{p}_x## The Attempt at a Solution i seem to get: ##\frac{1}{2m}\langle \hat{p}_x \Psi | \hat{p}_x...
  47. M

    Is <A> Always Zero for Anti-Hermitian Operators in Real Functions?

    I'm stuck on a question in atkins molecular quantum mechanics 4e (self test 1.9). If (Af)* = -Af, show that <A> = 0 for any real function f. I think you are expected to use the completeness relation sum,s { |s><s| = 1. I'm sure the answer is simple but I'm stumped.
  48. T

    Expectation values for Hydrogen

    Ok, so I'm a little confused about why <p> = 0 for Hydrogen in the ground state. If someone explain the reasoning behind this, I'd greatly appreciate it. Also, and more importantly, does that mean that <p> = 0 for Hydrogen in other states as well? If not, how would you go about finding <p>...
  49. A

    Expectation values for angular momentum

    Consider a quantum system with angular momentum 1, in a state represented by the vector \Psi=\frac{1}{\sqrt{26}}[1, 4, -3] Find the expectation values <L_{z}> and <L_{x}> I'm reviewing my quantum mechanics; I had a pretty horrible course on it during undergrad. I feel like this should be...
  50. A

    Expectation values of spin operators in changing magnetic field

    Homework Statement Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution I have totally no idea how to solve this question. But I find it somehow similar to the Larmor precession problem. Therefore I try to solve my problem by referring to that. Are there any mistakes if I do it like...
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