Expectation values Definition and 122 Threads

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    Question about expectation values.

    Is it possible to define operators to find the expectation value of position for a Gaussian wave packet. Similar to finding raising and lowering operators for the harmonic oscillator in terms of position and momentum and then using those to find <x> and <p>. But I was just wondering if this...
  2. J

    Expectation values of harmonic oscillator in general state

    So, this has been bothering me for a while. Lets say we have the wavefunction of a harmonic oscillator as a general superposition of energy eigenstates: \Psi = \sum c_{n} \psi _{n} exp(i(E_{n}-E_{m})t/h) Is it true in this case that <V> =(1/2) <E> . I tried calculating this but i...
  3. P

    Time Dependence of Expectation Values

    Hi, Please refer to this book (in google archive), and go to section 7.7 (page 85)...
  4. K

    Expectation Values of Angular Momentum Operators

    Homework Statement Show that < l,m | Lx2 - Ly2 | l,m > = 0 Homework Equations L2 = Lx2 + Ly2 + Lz2 [ Lx, Ly ] = i h Lz [ L, Lz ] = i h Lx [ Lz, Lx ] = i h Ly The Attempt at a Solution I tried substituting different commutation values in place of Lx and Ly, but I'm...
  5. Z

    Probability density function,normalize and expectation values

    Homework Statement The probablity density function of the n-state of an electron is proportional to fn=(\frac{rz}{a_{0}})^{2n}e^ \frac{-2Zr}{\large na_{0}} show that the expectation value of the potential energy of the electron in the n-th quantum state of the hydrogen atoms is...
  6. B

    Why Do Commutators Have Factors of 1/2?

    Homework Statement Here's a link to an image of the exam question. It appears in the exam every couple of years, and it's due in my exam this coming week. I've looked in both the textbook and the course notes, and they simply *state* the conclusion, so I don't have a way of proving it, and...
  7. D

    Do expectation values vary with time?

    I'm a bit confused about the nature of probability conservation and expectation values. According to probability conservation, \frac{∂P(r,t)}{∂t}=0. Does that mean that expectation values e.g. <x>, <p> and <E> depend only on the position of the particle and not on time? Thanks
  8. Avatrin

    Expectation Values: Formula & Derivation

    I know that the formula for the expectation value is: <Q(x,p)> = ∫ψ*Q(x,(h/i)d/dx)ψ dx For instance, the expectation value for momentum is. -ih∫ψ*(dψ/dx)dx But, why? How is it derived?
  9. S

    Expectation values of QHO in |n> basis

    Is it possible to express ANY observable A(X,P) in terms of the ladder operators? I know how to evaluate expectation values in the |n> basis given the operators in terms of a & a+, but was trying to figure out <1/X^2>. How do you express 1/X^2 in terms of ladder operators? <ψ|(1/X^2)|ψ> can be...
  10. B

    Expectation values for expanded wave functions

    So I'm a little confused on the notation when working with wave functions constructed as a linear combination of an orthornormal basis set. Like on the form: \Phi=Ʃn cnψn If I want to find the expectation value represented by the operator O for the state described by \Phi, I would...
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    What is the Probability Density for a Wave Function?

    Homework Statement A wave function ψ is A(eix+e-ix) in the region -π<x<π and zero elsewhere. Normalize the wave function and find the probability of the particle being (a) between x=0 and x=π/8, and (b) between x=0 and x=π/4. Homework Equations The Attempt at a Solution So to...
  12. F

    Express moment / expectation value in lower order expectation values

    Hello everybody, I'm looking for a proof of the following equation: <x6> = <x>6+15s2<x>4 where the brackets denote an expectationvalue and s is the standard deviation. Thanks in advance!
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    Expectation Values of Radii in the Hydrogen Atom

    Homework Statement Determine for the hydrogen atom states 1s and 2p the expectation value of the radius r and the associated mean square error Δr. Homework Equations Wave Functions for 1s and 2p from Demtroeder's Experimental Physics Volume 3 (it says "The normalized complete...
  14. D

    Expectation values and the Harmonic oscillator

    Homework Statement For the Harmonic Oscillator, the state |ψ> = (|0> + |1>) / √(2) Find \overline{x} = <ψ|x|ψ> \overline{p} = <ψ|p|ψ> \overline{x^2} = <ψ|x^{2}|ψ> and \overline{p^2} = <ψ|p^{2}|ψ> and <ψ| (x - \overline{x})^2 |ψ><ψ| (p - \overline{p})^2 |ψ> [b]2. Homework Equations...
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    Why Does My Probability Integration Yield 1/2 Instead of 1?

    Homework Statement Homework Equations I have that p(\theta)d\theta = \frac{1}{\pi}d\theta, this is definitely correct. Also y=r*sin(theta) so dy=r*cos(theta)*d(theta). Substituting d(theta) in above and simplifying, I have: p(y)dy = \frac{1}{pi} \frac{dy}{\sqrt{r^2-y^2}} The problem is...
  16. R

    Quantum mechanics and expectation values.

    I have a question about expectation values in quantum mechanics. When calculating <x>=\int\Psi*x\Psi does x always make this functions odd? If \Psi is odd then \Psi* I would assume is odd as well and then <x> would be odd*odd*odd, if \Psi is even then I again assume it would be even*odd*even...
  17. R

    Quantum mechanics and expectation values.

    I have a question about expectation values in quantum mechanics. Since calculating <x>=\int\Psi*x\Psi does x always make this functions odd? If \Psi is odd then \Psi* I would assume is odd as well and then <x> would be odd*odd*odd, if \Psi is even then I again assume it would be...
  18. M

    Expectation Values for momentum and a particle in a square well

    Homework Statement Calculate the expectation values of p and p2 for a particle in state n=2 in a square well potential. Homework Equations \Psi(x,y) = (2/L)*sin(n1\pix/L)*sin(n2\piy/L) p= -i\hbar\partial/\partialx The Attempt at a Solution \int\Psip\Psidxdy...
  19. H

    Angular Momentum and Expectation Values

    Can anyone explain to me why the only time that the expectation of L^2 operator and the expectation value of L_3^2 are equal only when there is no angular dependence? And what does this mean? Does this have something to do with being restricted to the z-axis which is what L_3 is associated...
  20. R

    Electron Energies in Atoms: Fixed Values or Expectation Values?

    Hi. First post. I'm trying to understand if electronic energy levels have fixed values, or merely fixed expectation values (in the latter case, orbital electrons could have any energy and it's only the average that would be fixed). Here's my argument for the latter. If it's incorrect, could...
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    Expectation values of spin operators

    Hi, I've found the expectation value of Sz, which is hbar/2 (|\psiup|2 - |\psidown|2) by using the formula: <Si> = <\psi|Si\psi> where i can bex, y or z and \psi is the 'spinor' vector. I tried to find Sx using the same formula, however, I could only get as far as: hbar/2 ((\psiup)*\psidown...
  22. Z

    Harmonic Oscillator Expectation Values

    Homework Statement A particle of mass m that is confined to a harmonic oscillator potential V(x) = \frac{1}{2} m \omega^2 x^2 is described by a wave packet having the probability density, |\Psi (x,t) |^2 = \left(\frac{m\omega}{\pi\hbar} \right )^{1/2}\textrm{exp}\left[-\frac{mw}{\hbar}(x -...
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    Expectation Values of x & p for Wavefunction u(x,0)

    Homework Statement A particle is represented(at t=0) by the wavefunction u(x,0) = A(a^2 - x^2) if -a<x<a = 0 otherwise Determine <x> & <p>. It is given in the book that in this case <p> \neq m*d/dt<x>. Could someone please tell me the reason...
  24. N

    Is This Equation for Expectation Values Correct?

    Homework Statement Hi Say I have the following number: \left\langle {\psi _i |A|\psi _j } \right\rangle 1) First of all, am I correct when saying that \left\langle {\psi _i |A|\psi _j } \right\rangle = \left\langle {\psi _j |A^\dag |\psi _i } \right\rangle ^* where...
  25. K

    Hamiltonians and Expectation Values and Ehrenfest's theorum, OH MY ()

    Homework Statement (a) Let Q be an operator which is not a function of time, abd Let H be the Hamiltonian operator. Show that: i(hbar)(\delta<q> / dt =<[Q,H]> Here <q> is the expectation value of Q for any arbirtary time-dependent wave function Psi, which is not necessarily an...
  26. D

    Is the Product of Expectation Values Always True in Quantum Mechanics?

    In quantum mechanics, when is this true \langle\psi|AB|\psi\rangle=\langle\psi | A|\psi\rangle\langle\psi |B|\psi\rangle ? In probability theory, when the two variables are independent, the mean value of the product is the product of the mean values. What about QM?
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    Why isn't my LaTeX code displaying properly on PhysicsForums.com?

    I'm not sure why PhysicsForums.com isn't displaying my latex properly so I have attached a PDF of the question. Homework Statement Show that, for a 3D wavepacket, \frac{d\langle x^2 \rangle}{dt} $=$ \frac{1}{m}(\langle xp_{x} \rangle+\langle p_{x}x \rangle) The Attempt at a...
  28. C

    Can someone help me with expectation values for the radial wavefunction?

    Show that the expectation value of Lz is -2h for the radial wavefunction Y2,-2. ? Can someone do this?
  29. K

    Computing vacuum expectation values

    I have small question computing vacuum expectation values here http://www.cns.gatech.edu/FieldTheory/extras/SrednickiQFT03.pdf" from Mark Srednicki. My problem is with equation 210 on the pdf page 69. In the second line of 210, where does the second term come from? Z(J) and W(J) are defined...
  30. K

    Expectation values for a harmonic oscillator

    Homework Statement I need to find <x>, <x2>, <p>, and <p2> for a particle in the first state of a harmonic oscillator. Homework Equations The harmonic oscillator in the first state is described by \psi(x)=A\alpha1/2*x*e-\alpha*x2/2. I'm using the definition <Q>=(\int\psi1*Q*\psi)dx...
  31. M

    Energy expectation values of harmonic oscillator

    I'm looking at a question... The last part is this: find the expectation values of energy at t=0 The function that describes the particle of mass m is A.SUM[(1/sqrt2)^n].\varphi_n where I've found A to be 1/sqrt2. The energy eigenstates are \varphi_n with eigenvalue E_n=(n + 1/2)hw...
  32. N

    Expectation Values and Operators

    I've never seen an expectation value taken and would greatly appreciate seeing a step by step of how it is done. Feel free to use any wavefunction, this is the one I've been trying to do: In the case of \Psi=c1\Psi1 + c2\Psi2 + ... + cn\Psin And the operator A(hat) => A(hat)\Psi1 =...
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    Wave Function - Normalisation & Calculation of Expectation Values

    Homework Statement i. Confirming the wavefunction is normalised ii. Calculating the expectation values: <\hat{x}> , <\hat{x^{2}}> , <\hat{p}> , <\hat{p^{2}}> as a function of \sigma iii. Interpreting the results in regards to Heisenberg's uncertainty relation. Homework Equations...
  34. C

    How are expectation values calculated?

    Hello, Can someone explain to me how the expectation values are calculated in the following picture: I mean , What did they do after the brackets? What did they multiply with what? thanks
  35. B

    Angular momentum and Expectation values (Another question)

    Homework Statement Using the fact that ,\left\langle \hat{L}_{x}^{2} \right\rangle = \left\langle \hat{L}_{y}^{2} \right\rangle show that \left\langle \hat{L}_{x}^{2} \right\rangle = 1/2 \hbar^{2}(l(l+1)-m^{2}. The Attempt at a Solution L^{2} \left|l,m\right\rangle = \hbar^{2}l(l+1)...
  36. B

    Angular momentum and Expectation values

    Homework Statement Express Lx in terms of the commutator of Ly and Lz and, using this result, show that <Lx>=0 for this particle. The Attempt at a Solution [Ly,Lz]=i(hbar)Lx <Lx>=< l,m l Lx l l,m> then what?
  37. B

    Evaluating p and p² Expectation Values Using Momentum-Space Wave Function

    Homework Statement Evaluate the expectation value of p and p² using the momentum-space wave function Homework Equations Momentum-space wave function: \sqrt{\frac{d}{\hbar\sqrt{\pi}}}e^{\frac{-\left(p'-\hbar k\right)^2d^2}{2\hbar^2}} The Attempt at a Solution I can get \langle...
  38. W

    How do I correctly evaluate <x^2> for a particle in a one-dimensional box?

    Homework Statement Consider a particle in an infinite one-dimensional box that has a length L and is centered at the origin. (Use h for Planck's constant, n, and L, as necessary.) Evaluate <x^2> for <x^2> at n=1. Homework Equations <x^2>= (2/L)[(L^3/24)-(L^3/4n^2*pi^2)cos(n*pi)] The...
  39. J

    Calculating Expectation Value for E in Wavefunction

    I'm trying to check that the expectation value <E> is E for the wavefunction sqrt(2/L) sin(2pix / L) I know the shortcut way of doing it by saying that the hamiltonian multiplied by the function is just the eigenvalue E multiplied by the function, and since the function is normalized the...
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    How do I find expectation values for a particle in an infinite well?

    I want to find <x> and ,<x^2>, <p>, and <p^2> of a particle in an infinite well where: V(x)=0, \frac{-a}{4}<x<\frac{3a}{4} Using the usual method, I found the wavefunction to be: \psi(x)=\sqrt{\frac{2}{a}}sin[\frac{n\pi}{a}(x+\frac{a}{4})] I also found...
  41. S

    How Does the Expectation Value Simplify to iCm/(pi*hbar)^1/2?

    Just a quick question. I finished an expectation value sum and noticed that the given solution had me stumped. Ive attached a quick picture of the simplifying process which was given as the solution. The only thing i don't understand is how to get the value iCm/(pi*hbar)^1/2. I don't know...
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    QM- A bit of manipulation of expectation values.

    Homework Statement The variance of an observable Qhat in a state with wavefunction psi is, (delta Qhat)2=<(Qhat-<Qhat>)2> Show that this can be written as, (delta Qhat)2=<Qhat2>-<Qhat>2 Homework Equations As above. The Attempt at a Solution (delta...
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    What is the <x> for given wavefunction A*exp(-(\sqrt{}Cm/2h)x^{}2)?

    Homework Statement calculate <x>, when \Psi(x,t)=A*exp(-(\sqrt{}Cm/2h)x^{}2 Homework Equations <x>=\int\Psi^{}*x\Psidx over all space.. \intexp(-\alphax^{}2)=\sqrt{}\pi/\alpha The Attempt at a Solution ok know how to do this but how do i do the intergral... my maths isn't so good...
  44. N

    Time-varying expectation values

    Hi all. I have a question which arose from the answer of a homework problem. A particle is in the state given by \left| \psi \right\rangle = \frac{1}{{\sqrt 3 }}\left[ {\left| \psi \right\rangle _1 + \left| \psi \right\rangle _2 + \left| \psi \right\rangle _3 } \right], where {\left|...
  45. K

    Questions about expectation values and definite values (quantum physics)

    Is the expectation value of momentum/position/energy the value that we're most likely to measure? So suppose we measure 100 particles with the same wavefunction, would we expect most of them to have momentum/position/energy that's equal to the expectation value? And I was wondering, how do we...
  46. H

    Expectation values of the electron.

    Homework Statement The expectation value <r> of the electron-nucleus separation distance 'r' is: <r> = ʃ r |ψ|² dV. (a) Determine <r> for the 1, 0, 0 state of hydrogen. The Attempt at a Solution Right, I've obtained the value for ψ = (1/πa³)^1/2 exp(-r/a) I then...
  47. N

    Quantum Mechanics: Expectation values

    Homework Statement I need to find the expectation value for E but I don't know how b acts on the vacuum state. Homework Equations b = \int dt \phi^{*}(t) \hat{{\cal E}}_{in}(t) | \psi(t)\rangle = b^\dagger| 0\rangle The Attempt at a Solution \langle \psi(t) |...
  48. J

    Quantum homework - Average Expectation Values?

    Quantum homework - Average Expectation Values?? Hi people, I'm struggling with my quantum mechanics homework - I've included links to photographs of my attempts at solutions, but i know they are wrong because I am given what the answers are supposed to be. Can somebody help me spot where I am...
  49. B

    Formalism and Angular Momentum Expectation Values

    I seem to be having a rather difficult time understand all the details of the notation used in this quantum material. If I'm given the eigenvalue equations for L^{2} and L_z and L_{\stackrel{+}{-}} for the state |\ell,m>, how do I compute <L_{x}> using bra-ket formalism? I know that L_x =...
  50. N

    Is the Hermite Conjugate Needed for Expectation Values of Spin?

    Homework Statement Hi all. The expectation value for S_x (spin in x-direction) is: \left\langle {S_x } \right\rangle = \left\langle {\phi |S_x \phi } \right\rangle = \phi ^\dag S_x \phi where \phi is the state and \phi^"sword" is the hermite conjugate. My question is: I...
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