Horizon Definition and 446 Threads

The horizon is the apparent line that separates earth from sky, the line that divides all viewing directions based on whether it intersects the Earth's surface or not.
The true horizon is actually a theoretical line, which can only be observed when it lies on the sea surface. At many locations, this line is obscured by land, trees, buildings, mountains, etc., and the resulting intersection of earth and sky is called the visible horizon. When looking at a sea from a shore, the part of the sea closest to the horizon is called the offing.The true horizon surrounds the observer and it is typically assumed to be a circle, drawn on the surface of a perfectly spherical model of the Earth. Its center is below the observer and below sea level. Its distance from the observer varies from day to day due to atmospheric refraction, which is greatly affected by weather conditions. Also, the higher the observer's eyes are from sea level, the farther away the horizon is from the observer. For instance, in standard atmospheric conditions, for an observer with eye level above sea level by 1.70 metres (5 ft 7 in), the horizon is at a distance of about 5 kilometres (3.1 mi).
When observed from very high standpoints, such as a space station, the horizon is much farther away and it encompasses a much larger area of Earth's surface. In this case, the horizon would no longer be a perfect circle, not even a plane curve such as an ellipse, especially when the observer is above the equator, as the Earth's surface can be better modeled as an ellipsoid than as a sphere.

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  1. Buzz Bloom

    Re Dark Matter and the Horizon Problem

    As I understand it, the statement of the horizon problem assumes that the uniformity of the CBR measured at opposite directions in the sky needs a mechanism to create this uniformity. I also understand that many cosmologists do not share this assumption. The purpose of this thread is to seek...
  2. S

    How do I calculate the event horizon?

    I am clearly talking about black holes. The event horizon is the limit where even a photon won't escape it. I tried to calculate it in the easy way using enegry calculation m * MG/R = mc^2 / 2 but I do not know if I am using the right equation or even if I can divide by the m because it...
  3. ontodva

    Reappearance of matter from a horizon

    Given enough time Boltzmann freak structures will appear, assembled from drifting matter, in the maximum-entropy universe if it is static, I.E. not expanding to eventually sweep all matter into the far horizon. In a lecture...
  4. P

    Finite tidal forces at black hole event horizon redux

    What's the best way to explain why tidal forces for an observer free-falling through an event horizon are finite? My first thought was to say that "gravity isn't a force, it's a curved space-time". On further thought, however, it seems to me that consideration of the Rindler horizon shows...
  5. Stephanus

    Spaghettification near event horizon

    Dear PF Forum, Can we avoid spaghettification for some times, once we're inside event horizon? I choose a rather massive black hole, so the tidal force won't be so big at EH. Mass: 1 trillion solar mass Schwarzschild radius: 2.950 trillion KM What is the gravitational force at EH? I calculate...
  6. yazanhomsi

    The Cosmic Horizon: Exploring the Oldest Light Ever

    Hello everyone, Questions keep on rushing through my mind. If we can see light from 300,000 years after the big bang (THE OLDEST LIGHT EVER) then why can't we see beyond our cosmic horizon? We are seeing the oldest light ever... then why do we have a cosmic horizon?
  7. J

    Can a micro black hole be created Past the horizon of a large black hole

    Can one create a black hole when already inside the black hole ?
  8. Buzz Bloom

    What is math showing inflation solves horizon problem?

    One aspect of the Horizon Problem is that the observed equal CBR temperature from opposite directions of the sky is a mystery. If we choose two points, say A and B, at opposite ends of a arbitrary diameter of the observable universe, at the present time the distance between A and B would be D...
  9. I

    Perceived Shape of the Earth's Horizon

    I have read that airplane pilots can first perceive the curvature of the Earth's horizon at an altitude of about 35,000 ft. (The horizon would be 230 miles away.) Precisely, what is the shape they see? I don't think it's an arc of a circle because of the angle of observation. Is it part of an...
  10. P

    Why is black hole photon sphere outside the event horizon?

    Homework Statement I am preparing a report on black holes and I recently learned about a phenomenon I was previously unaware of: the photon sphere of a black hole. While reading an article on said occurrence (I have now confirmed this on multiple sources) the photon sphere which is the minimum...
  11. naima

    Apparent horizon for the eternally accelerated observer

    The problem with the notion of Event Horizon is that it speaks ot events which will never be seen in the future. So it requires to wait eternally. So apparent Horizon is introduced. It uses http://www.fysik.su.se/~ingemar/relteori/Emmaslic.pdf They are closed spacelike surfaces. when they emit...
  12. Chronos

    Thermodynamics at the apparent horizon of the universe

    This paper; http://arxiv.org/abs/1506.08573, First law of thermodynamics for dynamical apparent horizons and the entropy of Friedmann universes, offers a themodynamic evaluation of the apparent horizon of the observable universe. While not for the mathematically faint of heart, it is interesting...
  13. MattRob

    Material Behavior at the Event Horizon

    In classical mechanics, to raise from some height h_{0} to infinity over a gravitational body, takes a certain amount of energy, the energy associated with escape velocity, let's just call it ε. ε = \lim_{t\rightarrow +\infty} \int_{h_{0}}^t ƒ(h)dh Likewise, it's time-reversible, so dropping...
  14. btouellette

    Flat Spacetime at Event Horizon of Black Hole?

    I've been working through Leonard Susskind's "The Theoretical Minimum" lecture series (which are a fantastic introduction to the topics covered by the way) and a couple of his comments confused me when he was covering the Kruskal-Szekeres metric/coordinates in General Relativity. The end of the...
  15. J

    Charge Dropping on Rindler Horizon: Coulomb Force Effects?

    Let's say I keep on dropping electrons on one spot of a Rindler horizon. Does the charge of the spot increase without a limit? When the charge of the spot is very large, does the spot exert a Coulomb force on the electron I'm about to drop, causing the electron to start moving away from the...
  16. G

    How gravity works beyond the Event Horizon

    Forgive my ignorance here, I'm not a physicist, but the exact nature of gravity beyond the Event Horizon has me a bit stumped. Say I cross the Horizon of a Supermassive Black Hole, meaning the pull on me isn't really that much stronger than Earth's pull initially - why can't I then escape...
  17. Curtph

    Can I stick my arm in past the event horizon?

    So the event horizon is the distance from the singularity where escape velocity exceeds the speed of light, right? Well let's say I am standing next to the event horizon, RIGHT next to it. What if I stick my arm in past the event horizon, then pull it out. I can't do that, right? Why not...
  18. S

    Mass velocity at a black hole event horizon.

    SR implies that mass can't reach c, but mass does reach a black hole's event horizon. How is this reconciled with SR?
  19. M

    Gravitational Time Dilation at Event Horizon

    According to Wikipedia, the gravitational time dilation formula is given by t_0 = t_f \sqrt{1 - \frac{2GM}{rc^2}} = t_f \sqrt{1 - \frac{r_0}{r}} where t0 is the proper time between events A and B for a slow-ticking observer within the gravitational field, tf is the coordinate time between...
  20. J

    A particle near an event horizon

    Homework Statement A sub-atomic particle is near the event horizon of a black hole. Due to the nearby gravitational field, the Ricci Curvature Tensor is changing rapidly. The particle then performs quantum tunneling. Homework Equations Which version of spacetime does the tunneling particle...
  21. CassiopeiaA

    Can We See CMB Again If Universe Expands at a Constant Rate?

    If particle horizon is the maximum distance we can see presently in the universe, how come we are able to see CMB? CMB is radiation from surface of last scattering happened at t~380k years. Suppose universe is expanding at a constant rate ( i.e. no acceleration), will we be able to see CMB...
  22. W

    Calculating the event horizon of black holes.

    Hello, I remember hearing somewhere that it is possible to calculate the event horizon, I was just wondering if this is possible and what equations are used to calculate it.
  23. JoeMath

    Yet another "never crosses the horizon" question

    I am still confused by the apparent contradictions between the world line of an immortal Observer at a distance (~100 M km) from a collapsing stellar core (-> Black Hole) and the reworking of coordinates to include the Schwarzschild radius. The argument that an in-falling astronaut would pass...
  24. RandyD123

    Escape the Horizon: Can I Pull My Friend Back?

    Suppose I extend a tether into a BH horizon. My spaceship is on the outside and my friend is on the end of a very long tether and crosses the event horizon...can I pull him back?
  25. wabbit

    Clarifying Black Hole Horizons: An Examination of Observer Perspectives

    I am confused about black hole horizons and such common statements as "light cannot escape from inside the horizon". The way I currently understand it is as follows : 1. Horizons are always relative to an observer, and what is called "the black hole horizon" is just a shorthand for "the black...
  26. L

    Proving Horizon Structure of Complicated Metric

    Hi there, I have a metric with g_{rr}=\frac{1}{r^2-2cr}. From this it is clear there exist coordinate singularities at r=0 and r=2c. I believe that the outer horizon is the event horizon and the inner horizon is a Cauchy horizon. However, I do not know what I need to do in order to prove that...
  27. W

    Does Hawking radiation take place at the apparent horizon?

    When the apparent horizon differs from the event horizon, as in the case of an observer falling into a black hole, does Hawking radiation take place at the former, the latter, or both?
  28. L

    How wide is the observable horizon, at sea level?

    I'm quite aware of how to compute how FAR you are from the horizon, but my question is, how WIDE is the observable horizon at sea level (like, from left to right, how many kilometers is this): http://www.jeicentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/far_sunset_in_te_ocean_horizon-wide.jpg Thanks!
  29. A

    Hawking radiation prevents event horizon crossing?

    No one seems to be bothered by this except me: Black holes have a finite lifetime measured in Schwartzchild time due to Hawking radiation. Similarly, the universe probably has a finite lifetime measured in Schwartzchild time. In that case, nothing ever falls through the event horizon of a black...
  30. ChrisVer

    Black Hole Event Horizon: Is There a Physical Boundary?

    Is there a physical boundary that is the event horizon? Or is there not? The reason I'm asking is because texts say that the event horizon that appears in Schwarzschild's metric is a result of the coordinate choice, and it disappears by choosing some other coordinates.
  31. Heisenberg1993

    Event Horizon in a closed, matter (dust) dominated universe

    Hi! It is stated in V. Mukhanov's book "Physical foundations of Cosmology" the following (page 44, after equation 2.25): "In contrast, for the dust dominated universe, where ηmax=2π, the event horizon exists only during the contraction phase when η>π." could someone please explain why is this...
  32. S

    Event horizon in different coordinate systems

    Hi guys, I have a GR question. It is usually said that black holes have event horizons in which time freezes/stops relative to an outside observer. This happens in the Schwarzschild coordinate system. But are there any coordinate systems in which the coordinate time of the black hole and its...
  33. D

    Baryon acoustic oscillations and sound horizon

    I'm having some trouble understand this correctly, so I was hoping someone could enlighten me a bit :) Okay, so in the early Universe most of the hydrogen and helium was formed, and then kept in equilibrium, and ionized via photons. So we have a plasma of baryonic matter, including dark matter...
  34. J

    Rindler Horizon and Lorentz contraction

    Hello, Onhttp://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/rocket.html website it says in the section "below the rocket, something strange is happening" that the distance of an object which passes the accelerating observer never increases -c2/α. I think this means, that the Rindler Horizon...
  35. avito009

    Why does surface area of an Event Horizon increase?

    Stephen hawking came to know of a study that stated that surface area of an event horizon increases. So he said that since area has increased Entropy also had increased. But why does surface area of an Event Horizon increase?
  36. EinsteinKreuz

    Sagittarius A* and its event horizon

    So in 2009 there was this paper which described what was known back then based on observational data and the final sentence in the conclusion read as follows: Now for you astrophysicists here, has anything changed? It is my understanding, and please correct me if I'm wrong, that as of 2013...
  37. ChrisVer

    Understanding Horizon Distance in Axion Cosmology Model

    I am having some problems with understanding what it means to be in the horizon of something else. In particular I'm looking into axion cosmology model. In this paper, and in particular in the strings and wall decay sections: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0610440 Let me try to elaborate some of...
  38. C

    Why must the event horizon be a null surface?

    The event horizon is a null surface in spacetime separating events that are causally connected to an observer from those that are not. Does anyone have a good, simple argument on why it must be a null surface?
  39. D

    Are Galaxies Beyond Our Visible Universe in Quantum Superposition?

    Are galaxies that exist beyond the horizon of the visible universe in a superposition of many different states relative to us? A related question: If we take a laboratory with some scientists inside and put them all in a big box that's perfectly isolated from the rest of the universe, then the...
  40. .Scott

    What happens when an object approaches an event horizon?

    My question is: Is my picture of what happens as something approaches an event horizon accurate - and are there any citations describing it? I got my "picture" from a PBS broadcast several years ago. It was since mentioned in these forums, but I haven't been able to find an explicit mention...
  41. avito009

    Is there vacuum at the Event Horizon of a Black Hole?

    As all of us know that in a vacuum the particle antiparticle pairs or the virtual particles are created violating the law of conservation of energy. So even near an Event Horizon of a Black Hole virtual particles are formed. One of the particles gets sucked into the black hole but the other...
  42. marcus

    ΛEPRL quantiz'n of cosmological horizon area in Planck units

    The ΛEPRL spin foam model presented 25 November at ILQGS by Haggard and Riello achieves an interesting quantization of the cosmological constant. Basically this is done on slide #10 around minute 15 of the audio. http://relativity.phys.lsu.edu/ilqgs/haggardriello112514.pdf...
  43. J

    Entanglement and event horizon

    If one of two entangled particles passes the event horizon of a black hole, will the entanglement still exist? Because that would mean information can come from a black hole.
  44. Mentz114

    What Causes the Unexpected Limit in Rindler Horizon Calculations?

    Greetings. For my own edification I calculated a set of the congruence of uniformly accelerated observers in flat spacetime in the spherical polar chart. These observers accelerate radially outwards from some ##r## so that their horizons are at the same position ##r_h##. This requires that...
  45. J

    Crossing the Event Horizon: Observing a Massive Black Hole

    A number of recent threads have discussed what happens when an observer falling into a massive black hole passes the event horizon. What I would like to know is this. For a massive BH of mass M, Schwartzchild Radius Rs, how long would it take for such an observer (who, presumably crosses the...
  46. marcophys

    HT 'low current' resistance fundamentals in Tungsten Welder - event horizon

    Does anybody understand the fundamentals of what is happening in this circuit? Tungsten welding info is all about high current... but this is a low current scenario. AC input, CDI Coil generated 20Kv (estimated) suffers voltage drop over 100mm of tungsten rod. The larger the diameter... the...
  47. A

    Could the Event Horizon of black holes be the edge of expanding universes?

    I recently read a few articles that contradict Einstein's Singularity theorem. The idea being that black holes are wormholes to other universes; with a white hole on the other side of the black hole (Poplawski's theory). What if instead of being a portal to another universe, the Event Horizon of...
  48. K

    Temperature at Galactic Scale Perturbation Horizon Entry?

    Homework Statement How do I calculate the temperature at which a galactic scale perturbation enters the horizon? This would be for radiation domination. Homework Equations \left( \frac{\delta \rho}{\rho} \right)_{\lambda_0} (t) = \left( \frac{a(t)}{a_{eq}} \right) \left( \frac{\delta...
  49. C

    Event Horizon Properties for Incoming Matter Explained

    Dear all, In one of his lectures,Prof. Susskind mentioned that the event horizon "bulges" forward to meet any incoming radiation or matter; and it is a property of Einstein field equations. I have not come across any such property, and if it exists, shouldn't it belong to the Schwarzschild(or...
  50. bcrowell

    Backreaction from Hawking radiation may prevent formation of event horizon?

    I'm trying to understand the ideas in this paper at a nontechnical level: Laura Mersini-Houghton, "Backreaction of Hawking Radiation on a Gravitationally Collapsing Star I: Black Holes?," http://arxiv.org/abs/1406.1525 She says: This work investigates the backreaction of Hawking radiation on...
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