Su(3) Definition and 67 Threads

  1. J

    Exploring the Implications of Gluon Mass and SU(3) Symmetry

    I know people have looked into what it would mean if photons had a mass. But what would it mean if gluons had a mass? ie. if there was a small violation of SU(3) symmetry. In other words, how do we know (experimentally) there is SU(3) symmetry?
  2. J

    Why Are SU(3) Generators Traceless and Limited to Two Diagonal Matrices?

    Hi, I'm currently reading a book on particle physics, which tells me this about SU(3): "...The generators may be taken to be any 3x3-1=8 linearly independent traceless matrices. Since it possible to have only two of these traceless matrices diagonal, this is the maximum number of commuting...
  3. F

    What does SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) means?

    Hi, 1: I just want to ask that what does SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) means? and when a lagrangian is invariant under SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) what does that mean? Does it mean that lagrangian L is invariant under SU(3) and then SU(2) and then U(1)? so if one wants to check SU(3) invariance of L...
  4. B

    Physical interpretation of charges and casimirs for SU(2) and SU(3)

    For SU(2) rotational invariance there is a clear interpretation of what all the generators mean. They correspond to operators whose eigenvalues are some observable. The noether charges correspond to the x,y and z components of angular momentum. The casimir is just the total angular momentum...
  5. F

    Can SU(3) be visualized with three belts?

    Dear PFers, I am looking for a way to visualize SU(3). I have heard from a friend (who heard it as a rumor) that like SU(2) can be visualized with a (Dirac) belt, also SU(3) can be visualized, but with three belts, because SU(3) has three independent copies of SU(2) as subgroups. I...
  6. F

    3-d harmonic oscillator and SU(3) - how to imagine it?

    The 3-dimensional harmonic oscillator has SU(3) symmetry. This is stated in many papers. It seems to be due to the spherical symmetry of the system. (After all, the idea of a 3d harmonic oscillator is that a mass is attached to the origin with a spring, and that the mass can move in 3...
  7. T

    Quadratic Casimir Operator of SU(3)

    Hi all, I need to construct the Casimir op. of group SU(3). I have these relations; T2=\sum C_{i}_{j}T_{i}T_{j} i,j=1,2...,8 ...eq1 [Ti , Tj]= \sum f_{i,j,k} T_{k} ...eq2 [T2 , Ti]=[\sum C_{i}_{j}T_{i}T_{j} , Ts]=\sum C_{i}_{j}T_{i}[T_{j}, T_{s}] + \sum C_{i}_{j}[T_{i}...
  8. P

    Baryon singlet representation for SU(3) flavour symmetry

    Hi there! As most people already might know, we can decompose the 27 dimensional representation for the baryons under SU(3) flavour symmetry as 27 = 10 + 8 + 8 + 1. I can find a lot of information about the particles that lie in the decuplet and in the octet, but nothing about which particle...
  9. F

    Understanding gluons and SU(3)

    How are gluons related to the generators of SU(3), the Gell-Mann matrices? I do not understand how the structure constants f and d describe how, for example, a red-antigreen gluon transforms into a red-antiblue and a blue-antigreen one. Do the f or the d factors describe the three-gluon...
  10. B

    Construction of SU(3) multipletts, implication of Gell-Mann-Nishijima

    Hi all! I am currently preparing for an oral exam in quantum field theory and particle physics and I have some problems with the SU(3)-Hadron Multipletts and the relation to the Gell-Mann-Nishijima equation: First, for SU(2) Multipletts you take your Casimir-Operator J, some commuting...
  11. F

    Understanding SU(3) & Quarks: Proton Structure & Multiplets

    Can anyone please explain to me how quarks are the fundamental representation of SU(3)? Why is a proton exactly uud and not another combination of quarks? What is a multiplet? Thank you for answers :)
  12. S

    SU(3) symmetry and simple zeros of w. f.

    Can someone help me? It is correct at all to make the conection between the SU(3) symmetry and zeros of (radial) wave function? To make more clear: can I say that the fact that radial wave function has only the simple zeros automatically excludes the existence of SU(3) symmetry for given quantum...
  13. A

    Holonomy, SO(6), SU(3) and SU(4)

    This springs from section 15.1.3 of Superstring Theory (Vol 2) by GS&W (should anyone have that to hand). K is a compact 6 dimensional space, thus it's holonomy group is a subgroup of SO(6). Fine. \eta is covariantly constant on K (comes from SUSY constraints). Thus need subgroup of SO(6)...
  14. T

    SU(3) Symmetry of QCD: Quarks vs. Gluons

    I find it awkward that quarks are in fundamental representation of SU(3) while gluons are in adjoint representation of SU(3). Is there a reason as to why this is the case? Why aren't they in the same representation or in the current specific representation?
  15. E

    SO(10) -> SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1) -inflation?

    I'm trying to learn some theory of inflation, and recently read a paper by Andrei Linde from 1982 where he suggested a scenario where inflation is driven by the phase transition SU(5) -> SU(3) x SU(2) x U(1). Now SU(5) is known to not be a good candidate as an extension of the standard model...
  16. U

    SU(3) Decomposition of Antiquark - Antiquark

    Hello, I have a question with respect to the decomposition in irreducible representations of antiquark - antiquark ( SU(3) color ). In the case of quark - quark what you have is a triplet with an antitriplet and what you obtain is an antitriplet and a sextet, and from the Young tables...
  17. Antonio Lao

    SU(3) vs Directional Invariance

    The more I read about group theory and SU(3), the stronger is my suspicion that they are very similar to the principle of directional invariance, which is based on the ideas of describing a dynamic one-dimensional cube and its eight properties. Maybe I am wrong and too engross in my own ideas...
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