After the 'Theoretical minimum' series, what is essential to know about QM?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of "shut up and calculate" as it pertains to studying quantum mechanics. The participants question the extent of knowledge needed to understand the subject and whether it is ever enough. They also inquire about the worth and satisfaction of studying quantum mechanics. The summary concludes with the idea that understanding is a continuous process and can be measured by one's ability to answer questions and make sense of the subject. It is ultimately up to the individual and their access to resources to determine how deep their knowledge of quantum mechanics can go through self-study.
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Truecrimson said:
How well can you handle Griffiths right now? (Not that one has to get past Griffiths first but Ballentine will be harder than that.)
I haven't started on Griffiths yet. What would you recommend to me at this point: Ballentine or Griffiths?
 
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Since you said that Griffiths was too advanced for you a month ago, I suspect that you will have to slog pretty hard to get through Ballentine.

I don't like Griffiths that much because it's weak on postulates and anything that involves matrices. For examples, I think Griffiths never talks about unitary operators in quantum mechanics or the Lüders rule for degenerate eigenvalues. (He definitely doesn't talk about density operators.) And his treatment of spins is just bad.

But if it's the right level for you, then by all means go for it! You will learn almost everything an undergrad needs to know about quantum mechanics.
 
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Truecrimson said:
Since you said that Griffiths was too advanced for you a month ago, I suspect that you will have to slog pretty hard to get through Ballentine.
I spent my QM time reading Susskind's TM! :biggrin:

So is Ballentine the better choice?
 
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entropy1 said:
So is Ballentine the better choice?

Yes, if you can read it.

Roughly speaking, Susskind is for motivated laypeople. Griffiths is for undergrads. Ballentine is for grad students.
 
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Truecrimson said:
Ballentine is for grad students.

I would say Ballentine is for grad students because one must be advanced enough not to be misled by Ballentine's severe errors.
 
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What is the best plan for my background?
 
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Is there any book that (more or less) covers the "Advanced QM" course of the TM by Susskind? I prefer a book over video's...
 
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entropy1 said:
Is there any book that (more or less) covers the "Advanced QM" course of the TM by Susskind?
You mean this course?
http://theoreticalminimum.com/courses/advanced-quantum-mechanics/2013/fall
Any good QM textbooks will cover the QM part. To tackle QFT textbooks requires at least undergrad QM and some more maths.

Depending on your taste, any of these books could be fine as a first introduction to QM beyond Susskind:
Townsend
https://www.amazon.com/dp/1891389785/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Schumacher and Westmoreland
https://www.amazon.com/dp/052187534X/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Zettili
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0470026790/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Shankar
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0306447908/?tag=pfamazon01-20
Sakurai
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0805382917/?tag=pfamazon01-20

They are all more advanced (and more complete) than Griffiths and I believe easier than Ballentine. There are, of course, many more books in the market, but these are the ones that I'm most familiar with. I highly recommend Schumacher and Westmoreland for concepts and Zettili for tons of solved problems.
 
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Truecrimson said:
Yes.

Truecrimson said:
Any good QM textbooks will cover the QM part. To tackle QFT textbooks requires at least undergrad QM and some more maths.
Perhaps I should stress I only read the beginners course of Susskind. The 'Advanced' course on the internet I didn't follow. So I need a book on the latter level.
 
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entropy1 said:
Perhaps I should stress I only read the beginners course of Susskind. The 'Advanced' course on the internet I didn't follow. So I need a book on the latter level.

Yeah. Most QM textbooks including the ones I listed will cover both Susskind's "QM" and the first half of his "advanced QM" course. I haven't learned QFT properly so I don't want to recommend something that I don't read. You can search bhobba's posts and others in this forum for QFT books for beginners.

Note that any actual textbook will be more in-depth than Susskind. It'll be hard to find a book that cover just as much coverage and as little details as Susskind. (I didn't know one for QM before Susskind himself wrote it.) So ultimately how far you should go will depend on what you want out of this.
 
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You might need to find some introductory level QM book. Definitely more broad and deep than "Theoretical Minimum" of Susskind, but still more adapted for a beginner than most of undergraduate level books.

Learning QM may bring some or even much disappointment - this is a big and hard subject. You'll definitely know (much of) something before you finish one good undergraduate level book, but this "something" may or may be not exactly what you wanted to know, it may or may not answer your possible questions about what QM is and why QM is really this way, and what the world really is and your knowledge will probably not have any application in your life. I have also heard of people who realized they learned just nothing after finishing a QM course - it may depend on the book you learn and on the course/teacher.

Just as a personal example, with learning basics of QM, I got much fun of gaining ability to read and understand some scientific articles and from just being slightly exposed to how crazily complex the contemporary theories are. People who invented QM are real heroes and that I could not understand without learning QM. Understanding these things is part of knowing the culture and the top achievements of humanity. I had also some original interest in QM foundations, which brought me to QM learning, and even though this interest was not much satisfied until now, learning basics of QM gave me some hope I may one day go deeper into this field.
 
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A. Neumaier said:
This was considered true when Landau wrote his book, but it is no longer true since we know better how macroscopic (i.e., classical) properties derive from microscopic (i.e., quantum) ones.

Do you mean decoherence theory or anything else/additional specific which changed the situation from Landau's time? Do you have any reference on book/article where QM is introduced/discussed satisfactory without using classical mechanics?
 
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MichPod said:
Do you mean decoherence theory or anything else/additional specific which changed the situation from Landau's time? Do you have any reference on book/article where QM is introduced/discussed satisfactory without using classical mechanics?
Decoherence goes part of the way; other statistical mechanics does the remainder. For references see https://www.physicsforums.com/posts/5396296/ and http://physicsoverflow.org/35537.

The only book I know of where quantum mechanics is introduced without classical mechanics is my online book,
Well, both are introduced side by side to show the close similarities. But nowhere is it assumed that a classical world exists outside of the quantum models.
 
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