Are My Free Body Diagrams for Two Boxes on an Incline Correct?

In summary, when two masses are on an incline, the mass on the incline has a greater coefficient of kinetic friction than the mass on the ground. This causes the masses to move as one, even though they have different accelerations.
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Hello,

I have two boxes with the same mass sitting on an incline:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/97/boxesy.png

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The coefficient of kinetic friction between A and the incline is greater than the coefficient of kinetic friction between B and the incline. When I simulate this in Algodoo, I observe that A and B move as one. I assume they have the same acceleration.

I want to determine this acceleration. Firstly, here are my free body diagrams for both boxes:
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1545/98782524.png

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http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/4619/85772392.png

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Are these correct?

Thanks
 
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they look ok to me
 
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This is actually not a homework/coursework question. I am doing this for a personal project. But if that's the best place to put it, that's fine with me.
I'll post my equations soon.
 
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I got an email saying someone had replied to my question, but I see that the reply is not shown on this thread. I'm not sure what happened.
Anyway, here is the equation I had some up with for resultant force on A:
[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21ma%20%3D%20mg%20%5Csin%20%5Ctheta%20%2B%20T%20-%20%5Cmu_a%20mg%20%5Ccos%20%5Ctheta.gif

and for B:
[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21ma%20%3D%20mg%20%5Csin%20%5Ctheta%20-%20T%20-%20%5Cmu_b%20mg%20%5Ccos%20%5Ctheta.gif

The problem was that I was assuming T was equal to the 'x' portion of weight, and I was getting a weird result. In the email I had gotten, the person said I have to solve for T and a separately.
By setting the equations equal to each other, I have T:
[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21%5Cfrac%7B%5Cmu_amg%5Ccos%20%5Ctheta%20-%20%5Cmu_bmg%5Ccos%20%5Ctheta%7D%7B2%7D.gif

and the acceleration as:
[PLAIN]http://www.texify.com/img/%5CLARGE%5C%21g%5Csin%5Ctheta%20-%20%5Cmu_bg%5Ccos%5Ctheta%20-%20%5Cfrac%7B%5Cmu_ag%5Ccos%5Ctheta%20-%20%5Cmu_bg%5Ccos%5Ctheta%7D%7B2%7D.gif

Thanks for the person who replied.
 
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You can simplify the formula for acceleration to a=gsinθ-0.5gcosθ(μab).

When you have similar problems with interacting bodies having the same acceleration, you can add all equations to cancel the internal forces, and then you get the common acceleration as the sum of all external forces divided by the total mass.

ehild
 
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I replied, but I misread the OP and wrote the equation too soon, so it was deleted.
 

FAQ: Are My Free Body Diagrams for Two Boxes on an Incline Correct?

How does the mass of the boxes affect their acceleration?

The mass of the boxes does not affect their acceleration, as long as the incline is frictionless. In this case, the acceleration of the boxes will be the same regardless of their masses.

What is the relationship between the angle of the incline and the acceleration of the boxes?

The angle of the incline affects the acceleration of the boxes. As the angle increases, the acceleration decreases. This is because the component of the weight of the boxes acting down the incline decreases as the angle increases.

How does friction between the incline and the boxes affect their motion?

Friction between the incline and the boxes will cause the acceleration of the boxes to decrease. This is because the force of friction acts in the opposite direction of motion, and therefore reduces the net force acting on the boxes.

What is the relationship between the initial height of the boxes and their final speeds?

The initial height of the boxes does not affect their final speeds. As long as the incline is frictionless, the final speed of the boxes will only depend on the angle of the incline and the initial height of the boxes does not play a role.

How does the length of the incline affect the motion of the boxes?

The length of the incline does not affect the motion of the boxes, as long as the angle of the incline and the initial height of the boxes are kept constant. The motion of the boxes is only dependent on the angle of the incline and not the length of the incline.

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