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The Smoking Man said:If you say so Townsend.
I bow to your logic.
Continue.
If that is so then why don't shut up already... You're worse than a 4 year old
You are in no way even remotely funny...
The Smoking Man said:If you say so Townsend.
I bow to your logic.
Continue.
If you say so Townsend.Townsend said:If that is so then why don't shut up already... You're worse than a 4 year old
You are in no way even remotely funny...
touche'The Smoking Man said:If you say so Townsend.
I bow to your logic.
Continue.
Lisa! said:Sorry I misread your post, but could you please tell me about the other countries with high IQs?
Friendly Immigrant said:National IQ averages of every country in the world: http://www.rlynn.co.uk/pages/article_intelligence/t4.asp
China is two points above U.S.A., but some 6 points below Japan and the Koreas. CNN and Fox News are helping make Americans stupid. Say no to the Neo-Conservative/Liberal monopoly.
Hence the need for a tongue-in-cheek smiley.Townsend said:While I agree with saying no to both the repubs and the dems I cannot for the life me see how a news station can really have an impact on anyone's IQ let alone on the national average IQ.
IQ tests are designed to test intelligence. However the more knowledge a person has, the better they will score. My IQ scores (based on the Iowa basics) increased every test I took.Townsend said:While I agree with saying no to both the repubs and the dems I cannot for the life me see how a news station can really have an impact on anyone's IQ let alone on the national average IQ.
Cindy Sheehan said:take responsibility partly for my son’s death, too. I was raised in a country by a public school system that taught us that America was good, that America was just. America has been killing people, like my sister over here says, since we first stepped on this continent, we have been responsible for death and destruction. I passed on that bull**** to my son and my son enlisted. I’m going all over the country telling moms: “This country is not worth dying for. If we’re attacked, we would all go out. We’d all take whatever we had. I’d take my rolling pin and I’d beat the attackers over the head with it. But we were not attacked by Iraq. {applause} We might not even have been attacked by Osama bin Laden if {applause}. 9/11 was their Pearl Harbor to get their neo-con agenda through and, if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada. I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have. The people are good, the system is morally repugnant. {applause}
Skyhunter said:pee are oh pee ay gee ay en dee ay
Try saying it out loudTownsend said:Am I suppose to know what the last line means?
good example of leftist propaganda. She was going to take him to Canada to prevent him for volunteering to fight in Iraq..twice..and then further volunteering...even when asked whether he was sure he wanted to...volunteering to go on the mission that killed him.9/11 was their Pearl Harbor to get their neo-con agenda through and, if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada. I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have. The people are good, the system is morally repugnant
The Smoking Man said:Try saying it out loud
Propaganda? I don't follow.kat said:good example of leftist propaganda. She was going to take him to Canada to prevent him for volunteering to fight in Iraq..twice..and then further volunteering...even when asked whether he was sure he wanted to...volunteering to go on the mission that killed him.
Why is she paralleling her sons volunteer actions in something he believed in with the vietnam war when people were beating the draft by going to Canada? Nice bit of propoganda at your sons expense there mz sheehan.
p-r-o-p-a-g-a-n-d-a. See?Townsend said:What were you saying about the tongue in cheek smiley?
lol, she is manipulating the facts. She's suggesting her grown son would not have re-enlisted to fight in Iraq...a second time had she known what she "knows now". Sorry, but her son..went to Iraq once, chose to go twice and then CHOSE to volunteer for a very risky mission, even after being asked if he was sure he wanted to. Her political outlook hasn't changed based on her sons death, it's always been exactly where it is now. She's not new to the side that she's speaking for. Is there any proof that she...ever supported the war, lolArchon said:Propaganda? I don't follow.
She's saying that she would have taken her son to Canada had she known what she knows now about the war in Iraq. This isn't the same as the government deliberately spinning and manipulating facts to convince people of something. She's just expressing an opinion.
Presumably, her son didn't know this either when he enlisted, or the two of them would now be in Canada. So yes, he believed in the cause when he signed up to fight. But that's not what she's talking about: she's saying that if she had known (and this applies to a lot of soldiers), she wouldn't have supported the war. After all, many soldiers signed up because Hussein posed a threat to the United States, and because he had weapons of mass destruction, right? Neither of these were the case.
Also, something tells that she wasn't making some subtle comparison to Vietnam when she said that she would have taken her son to Canada.
OK, I'm sure you know her son better than she does.kat said:lol, she is manipulating the facts. She's suggesting her grown son would not have re-enlisted to fight in Iraq...a second time had she known what she "knows now". Sorry, but her son..went to Iraq once, chose to go twice and then CHOSE to volunteer for a very risky mission, even after being asked if he was sure he wanted to. Her political outlook hasn't changed based on her sons death, it's always been exactly where it is know. She's not new to the side that she's speaking for. Is there any proof that she...ever supported the war, lol
Archon said:p-r-o-p-a-g-a-n-d-a. See?
Probably. We need that smiley...Townsend said:I know...you missed the sarcasm too.
Hardly. I'm saying that it fails to be propaganda just because it doesn't jive with yours.kat said:Lol, Archon..what you're really trying to say is it's only propaganda when it doesn't jive with your own world view. Come on, a little self examination is due here.
kat said:good example of leftist propaganda. She was going to take him to Canada to prevent him for volunteering to fight in Iraq..twice..and then further volunteering...even when asked whether he was sure he wanted to...volunteering to go on the mission that killed him.
Why is she paralleling her sons volunteer actions in something he believed in with the vietnam war when people were beating the draft by going to Canada? Nice bit of propoganda at your sons expense there mz sheehan.
I'm sorry, I need some clarification from you. Are you saying that...he didn't re-enlist? are you saying she supported his re-enlistment? or she doesn't know if she did? Which "second" statement is of personal beliefs"? are you really saying personal beliefs are true...if you believe them to be?Archon said:Hardly. I'm saying that it fails to be propaganda just because it doesn't jive with yours.
I'm saying that she's not suggesting her son wouldn't have re-enlisted to fight in Iraq. She's suggesting that she wouldn't have supported his re-enlistment. These are two different things. The first, she doesn't know for certain unless she's capable of speaking to the dead. The second, however, is a statement of personal beliefs. It's true becuase she believes it, and you can't tell her otherwise.
I didn't read " if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada. I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have" as I would have "tried" to stop him, but that she would have stopped him...definatively. Further more it seems to ignore the fact that her son was a grown man who made an educated decision based on experience. If anyone has the opportunity to judge whether their actions in Iraq are worth dying for...it's someone who's been there and then...volunteers to re-enlist and go back. More so then someone who's based their beliefs and opinions on what Iraq is about on the left slanted msm news or someone who has taken in by the propaganda of the lefts talking points hook, line and sinker.She's not "manipulating facts" in order to deceive people into joining her cause: she's telling them that, had she known back then what she knows now, she would have tried to stop her son from re-enlisting. It's like saying "Well, if I had known back then what would happen if I drove while drunk, I wouldn't have done it." You can't call this misleading, can you?
Normally I would agree with you. Then I saw the photo's of Cindy Sheehan prepping for the media and posing setting up a pose and grieving for the cameras. Her and Casey's own family members are denouncing her personal use of his death for her own political motives.TRCSF said:What I find particularly vile propaganda is the smearing of a grieving mother who's lost her son. That's propaganda of the worst sort.
Lol, he's a grown man with access to the same information as you. Actually, with access to more information then you as he had already been to Iraq once and chose to return. One thing he was NOT was an innocent child who doesn't understand evil men offer you candy from dark vans to do bad things to you. Spare me the hyperbole. He was a hero, who knowingly risked his life for something he believed strongly to be the right and moral thing to do.As for Casey Sheehan's volunteering, since Bush obviously lied to him and every other American as to why we're fighting and dying, then his "volunteering" is irrelevant.
That's a bit like a child getting lured into a molestor's van with promises of candy and then saying "well, she volunteered.
The first step to resisting propaganda is knowing how to recognize it, in all it's forms.kat said:Lol, Archon..what you're really trying to say is it's only propaganda when it doesn't jive with your own world view. Come on, a little self examination is due here.
kat said:Normally I would agree with you. Then I saw the photo's of Cindy Sheehan prepping for the media and posing setting up a pose and grieving for the cameras. Her and Casey's own family members are denouncing her personal use of his death for her own political motives.
Lol, he's a grown man with access to the same information as you. Actually, with access to more information then you as he had already been to Iraq once and chose to return. One thing he was NOT was an innocent child who doesn't understand evil men offer you candy from dark vans to do bad things to you. Spare me the hyperbole. He was a hero, who knowingly risked his life for something he believed strongly to be the right and moral thing to do.
..yes, all the grief laden parents I know spend time in makeup and pose for cameras..crying on command. No pretending needed. Even her family agrees.TRCSF said:Yes, Sheehan is doing interviews. She's also lost her son. Her grief is sincere and for you or anybody else to pretend otherwise is just plain disgusting.
stop loss didn't send Casey Sheehan on the volunteer mission that he that he volunteer to take part in and was killed participating in. Nor was he a victim of any "stop loss" but you're welcome to try to prove your statement if you'd like.As for reenlisting, it can hardly be said that Casey Sheehan had much choice in the matter given the stop loss. He was lied to about the war and is life was wasted and thrown away by people who, obviously, don't care.
kat said:..yes, all the grief laden parents I know spend time in makeup and pose for cameras..crying on command. No pretending needed. Even her family agrees.
stop loss didn't send Casey Sheehan on the volunteer mission that he that he volunteer to take part in and was killed participating in. Nor was he a victim of any "stop loss" but you're welcome to try to prove your statement if you'd like.
I'm saying that she isn't talking about her son at all. She said that she would have taken her son to Canada had she known what she does now.kat said:I'm sorry, I need some clarification from you. Are you saying that...he didn't re-enlist? are you saying she supported his re-enlistment? or she doesn't know if she did?
The statement that she wouldn't have supported his re-enlistment (to the point of taking him to Canada). A certain kind of personal belief is true if you say it is, because you are responsible for defining it. For instance, if I say, "I like the color blue," then it is true because I believe it and because I say it is. Nobody can tell me otherwise. The situation is similar here.Which "second" statement is of personal beliefs"? are you really saying personal beliefs are true...if you believe them to be?
So you're proposing that we ask her dead son?I didn't read " if I would have known that before my son was killed, I would have taken him to Canada. I would never have let him go and try and defend this morally repugnant system we have" as I would have "tried" to stop him, but that she would have stopped him...definatively. Further more it seems to ignore the fact that her son was a grown man who made an educated decision based on experience. If anyone has the opportunity to judge whether their actions in Iraq are worth dying for...it's someone who's been there and then...volunteers to re-enlist and go back. More so then someone who's based their beliefs and opinions on what Iraq is about on the left slanted msm news or someone who has taken in by the propaganda of the lefts talking points hook, line and sinker.
Nowhere does she say (or even imply) that she wasn't against the war when it first began. She says that had she known that "9/11 was their Pearl Harbor to get their neo-con agenda through," she would have stopped her son from re-enlisting.Also, she appears to be suggesting that she was not against his going before the war started..and my understanding is that she's held this stance prior to the Iraq war and prior to her son being sent to Iraq, the first time.
kat said:Talking points! talking points! get your talking points!
One of the soldiers in his unit talked to Cindy, and told her how much he was liked by everyone. He said that Casey didn't want to go on that mission, but decided to go because of the comraderie he had with the soldiers of his unit.kat said:Talking points! talking points! get your talking points!
Be real, this is a volunteer army. Casey was a hero who VOLUNTEERED for a dangerous mission. Stop trying to undermine his heroism.
What Noble Cause Did Casey Sheehan Die For?
"Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation. No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam."
- Iraqi Constitution supported by Iran-backed Shiites and the Bush Administration (but opposed by Sunni leaders)
alexandra said:Errr... what was this thread about? It seems to have been well and truly hijacked. I was interested in the original topic and wonder if anyone wants to get back to that discussion?
Skyhunter said:[edit]
Care to try and spin that one Kat?