Bead on straight wire that rotates around origin

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The discussion centers on deriving the equation of motion for a particle sliding on a straight wire in the x-y plane, which rotates around the origin at a constant angular velocity. The particle experiences gravitational force acting downward, and the challenge lies in setting up the Lagrangian for the system. Participants suggest using polar coordinates to simplify the analysis, considering the kinetic energy of the particle and any external forces acting on both the particle and the wire. The importance of identifying constraints and potential energy is also highlighted. Ultimately, the initial confusion is resolved with the application of polar coordinates.
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A Particle of mass m can slide freely along a straight wire placed in the x-y plane whose perpendicular distance to the origin O is h. Denote the projection of O on the wire by on the wire by C. The line OC rotates around the origin (in the x-y plane) at a constant angular velocity \omega. The particle is subject to a gravitational force acting down the y axis. Find the equation of motion.

I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out how to set up the Lagrangian. Can anyone perhaps give some insight on a way to think about the problem that could lead to the Lagrangian?
 
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msimmons said:
Question:
A Particle of mass m can slide freely along a straight wire placed in the x-y plane whose perpendicular distance to the origin O is h. Denote the projection of O on the wire by on the wire by C. The line OC rotates around the origin (in the x-y plane) at a constant angular velocity \omega. The particle is subject to a gravitational force acting down the y axis. Find the equation of motion.

I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out how to set up the Lagrangian. Can anyone perhaps give some insight on a way to think about the problem that could lead to the Lagrangian?

Well, for starters, this is a 2D problem with rotation about the origin, so you'll probably want to use polar coordinates. What is the kinetic energy of a point mass in polar coordinates? Is the wire's mass negligable? (If not, it will have some kinetic energy as well) What (external) forces are the particle and wire subject to? What is the potential that gives rise to that force (or forces)? What constraint(s) are placed on the mass and wire?
 
Huh. Polar coordinates help out a bit.

That was all I needed to get it right. Oops.

Thanks!
 
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