Bernie Sanders Running for President

[Pythagorean]

I don't like Sander's GMO stance (even if it is just labeling) but I think there's currently bigger issues at play, like getting money out of politics, a living minimum wage, free education, not taking advantage of developing countries. Things that other candidates don't care about.

I don't know what Bernie's play is with GMO's (I'll call him GMO-curious for now) but he's getting flak for it, so hopefully he evaluates the issue closer. He did put up a neutral front in his recent reddit AMA (as Infrared quoted) claiming it was "just labeling". People want to know what they're putting in their body (that's why we have nutrition labels in the first place). I can see that angle. Either way, it's a messy issue to get involved with.

If it were down to pandering on a need-to-win basis, my utilitarian view is that it's pandering that is worth gaining ground on all the issues that he's passionate about and the other bills he's worked on. I somehow doubt that anti-GMO'ers make up a significant voting base to merit it, though. And I don't know how many votes he's losing that he'd otherwise have if he wasn't GMO-curious.

 

[micromass]

So someone's GMO stance is now the crucial decider on who to vote for? So if Trump is for GMO's, you would consider voting for him? Is it really that important, or are you just looking for reasons not to vote for him? It's ok to dislike him, but you should perhaps give something more substantial than a minor issue like GMO's.

And about his GMO stance. I do remember some studies which showed that it was harmful. Those studies were flawed and prejudiced, sure ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Séralini_affair ). But I don't blame somebody for thinking they're bad if there is so much confusion on the issue. You need to be a scientist to really know what study is flawed and which is not. Sanders is not a scientist, so I really can't blame him for thinking this way. Especially on such a minor issue, when a lot of people are drowning in debt.

 

[Astronuc]

Bernie Sanders gaining traction - with GOP voters?
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-dont-be-shocked-if-my-message-160500542.html

 

[Pythagorean]

Bernie Sanders gaining traction - with GOP voters?
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-dont-be-shocked-if-my-message-160500542.html

I'm part of the Facebook group "Conservatives for Bernie Sanders" (simply because I want to know what issues of Bernie's appeal to conservatives). It appears a lot of people are putting aside party loyalty and ideological fixation in favor of a candidate who is more genuine and has a consistent record of stances, and who has the balls to take on big money and the corrupted establishment rather than cater to them.

 

[Astronuc]

Yahoo! - Bernie Sanders is raising more money than every Republican candidate
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bern...han-every-republican-candidate-155430566.html

Who would've thought?

I could see Rubio vs Sanders in 2016.On the other hand - Sanders stresses gun control, calls for assault weapon ban
http://news.yahoo.com/sanders-stresses-gun-control-calls-assault-weapon-ban-234357994--election.html

 

[Czcibor]

No idea. I'm not sure Sanders really has a solid foreign policy, I like him for his domestic policy. What was the name of the agreement?

I've found this treaty:
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/210528.pdf (EN)
http://isap.sejm.gov.pl/DetailsServlet?id=WDU19940970467 (PL)

Additional protocol:
http://isap.sejm.gov.pl/Download?id=WDU20050030014&type=2 (bilingual version)

I perceived Americans as those who popularized such investment protection treaties, so I look a bit puzzled when they are unhappy about them... ;)

(Our foreign affairs ministry mentions that already signed regulations concerning investment protection in US-Polish relationship are broader than the ones from TIPP, so no big problem...)

 

[Pythagorean]

I perceived Americans as those who popularized such investment protection treaties, so I look a bit puzzled when they are unhappy about them... ;)

There's more than one kind of american, and more than one kind of american politician. Some of them look after the interests of the globalized corporations, some tend more towards populist interests. I'm willing to bet the majority of Americans don't even know about these trade agreements and the few that had a hand in generating and executing them had something to gain from favoring corporate interests.

 

[mheslep]

I've found this treaty:
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/210528.pdf (EN)
http://isap.sejm.gov.pl/DetailsServlet?id=WDU19940970467 (PL)
...

How is that Poland was forced into this agreement, i.e. "Americans made my country to already sign ..."?

 

[Czcibor]

How is that Poland was forced into this agreement, i.e. "Americans made my country to already sign ..."?

Such agreements were not something that my gov would seek, as there generally speaking little Polish investment in USA, in comparison to US investment in Poland, so the purpose was to protect US investment, not the other way round. Moreover, as far as I know executive power and civil servants in my country they are really reluctant to give up any of their power (including power to shock everyone with new, retrospectively working, interpretation of already existing laws ;) ). So I really think that it must have been the American side who insisted on that.

 

[mheslep]

Americans insisted? If they also said, "I want to buy your women, your daughters", would the Poles have been obliged to hand them over?

 

[Czcibor]

Americans insisted? If they also said, "I want to buy your women, your daughters", would the Poles have been obliged to hand them over?

Dunno. So far from far reaching requests Americans asked us to send our troops to Iraq and to let them torture some terrorist on Polish soil. Both request were granted, for the second one we were fined by ECJ, as technically speaking those tortures were illegal under some EU laws.
Maybe you would settle on something lesser than buying our women and daughters? We have a few female members of parliament, that I would be willing to trade with Americans...

My offers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Grodzka
(would be provided with documents proving that is a woman)
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krystyna_Pawłowicz
(would be provided with documents proving that is a professor, from her behaviour and manners you would not guess that)

And more seriously - the US is able to extract some concessions from smaller countries, especially when those smaller countries need the US. At the moment of signing that deal we needed Americans for accepting restructuring our debt from communist times and protection against Russians, so were not in specially good negotiation position. Request did not sound as excessive so was granted.

 

[brainpushups]

In case y'all didn't see Colbert's impression of Sanders and his other jokes about the Democratic candidates from the debate. Pretty funny.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/10/15/colbert_i_would_not_want_to_split_a_bill_with_bernie_sanders_5_of_the_people_paying_40_of_the_tip.html

 

[jtbell]

Larry David as Bernie Sanders on Saturday Night Live:

I don’t have a super PAC. I don’t even have a backpack. I own one pair of underwear. That’s it. Some of these billionaires have three, four pairs.

 

[BiGyElLoWhAt]

Sooo, a little late, but how about them caucus results? For all of those people who (in this thread) said "He can't win", "I wish he had a shot", etc. (paraphrasing) I think this definitely shows that he CAN win, and DOES have a shot, to say the least.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/01/us/iowa-caucus-democratic-precinct-results.html?_r=0

 

[Pythagorean]

Sooo, a little late, but how about them caucus results? For all of those people who (in this thread) said "He can't win", "I wish he had a shot", etc. (paraphrasing) I think this definitely shows that he CAN win, and DOES have a shot, to say the least.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/01/us/iowa-caucus-democratic-precinct-results.html?_r=0

Well... no so fast. Iowa is rich white people, so is New Hampshire. This demographic has never been a challenge to Bernie. Does he have a chance? I still don't know until I see how he does past the first two. Obviously, the first two primary states can establish electibility, which is what Sanders needs, and that's a positive outcome. I'm still afraid that the establishment candidate has a lot of unfair (and probably undemocratic) advantages.

 

[BiGyElLoWhAt]

Only time will tell, indeed.

 

[Astronuc]

USA Today, Des Moines Register - Iowa margin between Clinton, Sanders shifts as errors found
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...clinton-sanders-shifts-errors-found/79889298/

The final tally the state party announced Tuesday — before the latest changes were made — showed a difference of 3.77 state delegate equivalents:

Clinton: 700.59 state delegate equivalents
Sanders: 696.82 state delegate equivalents

 

[BiGyElLoWhAt]

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/nh/Dem
...and he pulls out in front.

 

[brainpushups]

Yeah. Not very exciting though. I think they called it about 5 minutes after the polls closed. Watching the results come in in Iowa was way more exciting. It'll be interested to see what happens in the south.

 

[dipole]

Personally I'm already exhausted by this race. I wish it'd be over already.

 

[BiGyElLoWhAt]

I suppose it's not really exciting, but it is satisfying.

 

[Pythagorean]

I don't know, NH was already his in my mind - the demographics were surprising, but that's New Hampshire. Clinton still holds the vast majority of superdelegate pledges, unfortunately. Sanders will have to do good in the next couple to stand a chance.

 

[Astronuc]

Clinton still holds the vast majority of superdelegate pledges

I noticed the superdelegates amassed by Clinton. Can superdelegates change their votes?

 

[lisab]

I noticed the superdelegates amassed by Clinton. Can superdelegates change their votes?

Yes.

 

[Evo]

Let's start a fresh thread Clinton vs Sanders.

 

[DrClaude]

Let's start a fresh thread Clinton vs Sanders.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/clinton-vs-sanders.856631/