Calculate a charge distribution given an electric potential.

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The discussion centers on finding the charge distribution from a given electric potential described by a two-dimensional function. Participants note a singularity at specific points but clarify that the potential remains finite there. The Laplacian of the potential is computed, resulting in zero, leading to the conclusion that the charge distribution must also be zero, unless influenced by boundary conditions. However, a discontinuity in the potential suggests the need for a Dirac delta function to accurately represent the charge distribution. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the implications of discontinuities and derivatives in determining charge distributions.
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Homework Statement


Find the distribution of charge giving rise to an electric field whose potential is $$\Phi (x,y) = 2~tan^{-1}(\frac{1+x}{y}) + 2~tan^{-1}(\frac{1-x}{y})$$where x and y are Cartesian coordinates. Such a distribution is called a two-dimensional one since it does not depend on the third coordinate z.[/B]

Homework Equations


Poisson's equation: $$\nabla^2 \Phi = -4 \pi \rho$$[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


The first thing I noted while attempting to solve this problem is that there is a singularity when x = ±1 and y = 0. Either way, I wanted to compute the laplacian of the electric potential to see what it would result in and it reduced to zero. I thought I had made an algebraic mistake and put it in Mathematica, again reducing to zero. Then I actually took my original thought and tried to work out a solution to avoid the singularities using the Dirac delta function, the only problem is that I don't know how I could operate the Dirac delta function. Is is possible to work out the following equation? $$ \Phi (x,y) \delta(x) \delta(y) = \Phi (0,0) \delta(x) \delta(y) \\ \nabla^2 \Phi (x,y) \delta(x) \delta(y) = \nabla^2 \Phi(0,0) \delta (x) \delta(y) $$ Although I don't think my steps will lead to something useful.
 
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lorentzian said:
The first thing I noted while attempting to solve this problem is that there is a singularity when x = ±1 and y = 0.
The potential does not have a singularity at these points, it is finite valued.
lorentzian said:
Either way, I wanted to compute the laplacian of the electric potential to see what it would result in and it reduced to zero.
Then the charge distribution must be zero. The reason the potential is not zero or some other constant is likely due to some imposed boundary conditions.
 
I suppose you could also find the the charge distributions on the bounding surfaces by relating the first derivative of the potential to the surface charge density on a bounding plane at ##y=0## and ##x=\pm1##. The surface charge density can then be related to the volume charge density using a delta function.
 
NFuller said:
Then the charge distribution must be zero. The reason the potential is not zero or some other constant is likely due to some imposed boundary conditions.

This is not correct. The potential may not approach infinity, but it does have a discontinuity over the entire segment ##-1 < x < 1## at ##y = 0##. The appropriate way of going about this is to note that this discontinuity generally will lead to ##\partial_y V = A(x) \delta(y) + f(x,y)##, where ##f(x,y)## is the continuous function you would get by naively performing the differentiation. Not to give too much away, I will leave it at that for the OP.
 
Orodruin said:
The appropriate way of going about this is to note that this discontinuity generally will lead to ##\partial_y V = A(x) \delta(y) + f(x,y),## where ##f(x,y)## is the continuous function you would get by naively performing the differentiation. Not to give too much away, I will leave it at that for the OP.
I understand I would need the Dirac delta function, what I don't quite understand is your solution method. What would ##A(x)## represent? Also, as I have mentioned before, what you name ## f(x,y) ## is actually zero once I calculate the laplacian, so I will be left with just the expresion ## \partial_y V = A(x) \delta(y) ,## which, if I understand correctly, is the first partial derivative with respect to ##y##.
 
##A(x)## would generally be a function of ##x## to be determined by looking at the size of the discontinuity of the potential. ##f## would not be zero, it represents the y-component of the field (this is the first derivative wrt y, not ##\nabla^2V##). You will need to differentiate one more time to compute ##\partial_y^2 V##.
 
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