Calculate the change in energy vs. B for each state separately?

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A weak vertical magnetic field of 300mT is applied over a He-lamp, and the wavelength difference between observed Zeeman components in the transition from 1s2p 1P to 1s3s 1S at 728.13nm is being calculated. The discussion highlights the importance of understanding the energy separation (E_ZE) and the role of fine structure in helium, which has zero nuclear spin. The calculated frequency difference (delta f) is confirmed to be 8.398GHz, but participants express confusion about how to convert this frequency difference into a wavelength difference. The correct approach involves using the relationship between wavelength and frequency, specifically that delta lambda can be approximated as (-) lambda^2/c * delta f. Ultimately, the conversation emphasizes the need for clarity in the calculations and the significance of the transition wavelength in the context of the problem.
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Over a He-lamp a weak vertical magnetic field ( B = 300mT) is beeing applied. The light from the lamp is beeing studies with a high resolution spectrometer in the direction of the B-field. What will the wavelength difference between the observed Zeeman components be in the transmission 1s2p 1P - 1s3s 1S at 728.13nm

I realize that since we look in the direction of the B-field I understand that we'll only be able to see sigma-transmissions (delta M_j = -1 or +1). I've also calculated that g_j will be 1 for 1P and 3/2 for 1S.

But from there I don't really know how to continue.
 
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Can you calculate the change in energy vs. B for each state separately?
 


Redbelly98 said:
Can you calculate the change in energy vs. B for each state separately?

You tell me.
When I look in my formula sheet I find.

"For weak fields, hfs:
E_ZE = g_F * my_B * B * M_F"

I suppose that E_ZE is the energy separation? But I don't see how I can calculate g_F, since it contains the nuclear spin I, which I don't have. And I'm not even sure if that's the right way to go. I'm kind of calculating in the dark here.
 


E_ZE is the shift in energy of a particular level.

Helium has zero nuclear spin, so there is no hfs. There is fine structure however. There should be a similar formula involving g_J and m_J.
 


Redbelly98 said:
E_ZE is the shift in energy of a particular level.

Helium has zero nuclear spin, so there is no hfs. There is fine structure however. There should be a similar formula involving g_J and m_J.

Ok, this starts to make sence. I figured that S only have M_j = 0, which means that the're only 2 transmissions, so I calculated the difference to E_ZE(M_j = 1) - E_ZE(M_j = -1) and got delta f = 8.398GHz, which I've got confirmed is right.

but they ask for the wavelength difference, so there's probably some more work to do. If I didnt know that this gives me the wrong answear I would just go with lambda = c/(delta f). But that doesn't seem right. Why?

they say that they observe the transmission at 728.13nm, what does that really mean? The solution states the following.
lambda = c/f => delta lambda = (-) lambda^2/c * delta f.

First of all I don't understand why they do that delta lambda calculation, and when I try to get to the same conclusion I go like this
delta lambda = c/f_1 - c/f_2 = cf_2/(f_1 * f_2) - cf_1/(f_1*f_2) = c*delta f * 1/(f_1*f_2). And the only way I can connect this to the result they show in the solution is if c^2/(f_1*f_2) = lambda, but why would it? And why does the lambda from the text come in here?

A lot of blanks still remain.
 


Larsson said:
Ok, this starts to make sence. I figured that S only have M_j = 0, which means that the're only 2 transmissions, so I calculated the difference to E_ZE(M_j = 1) - E_ZE(M_j = -1) and got delta f = 8.398GHz, which I've got confirmed is right.

Good, that's reassuring.

but they ask for the wavelength difference, so there's probably some more work to do. If I didnt know that this gives me the wrong answear I would just go with lambda = c/(delta f). But that doesn't seem right. Why?

Because lambda is really c/f, not c/(delta f). That is the basis for this calculation, along with:

<br /> \Delta \lambda = \lambda_1 - \lambda_2 = \frac{c}{f_1} -\frac{c}{f_2}<br />

as you use in your derivation below.

they say that they observe the transmission at 728.13nm, what does that really mean?

The transition (not transmission) between the two states occurs at a wavelength of 728.13nm. Therefore the spectrum of light from the lamp contains this wavelength, and it is observed in the spectrometer.

The solution states the following.
lambda = c/f => delta lambda = (-) lambda^2/c * delta f.

First of all I don't understand why they do that delta lambda calculation, and when I try to get to the same conclusion I go like this
delta lambda = c/f_1 - c/f_2 = cf_2/(f_1 * f_2) - cf_1/(f_1*f_2) = c*delta f * 1/(f_1*f_2).

So far so good ...

And the only way I can connect this to the result they show in the solution is if c^2/(f_1*f_2) = lambda, but why would it? And why does the lambda from the text come in here?

It's actually lambda^2, not lambda. It's an approximation.

Another useful piece of information is that the change in wavelength is a small fraction of the actual wavelength. Likewise, the change in frequency is a small fraction of the actual frequency. You can verify this be comparing your calculated frequency change of 8.398 GHz to the actual frequency of c/728.13nm.
What that does is make f1 and f2 nearly equal to each other and to c/lambda, where lambda is the value given in the problem statement. You can use that to get your expression in terms of lambda:

delta lambda = ... = c*delta f * 1/(f_1*f_2).
 
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