Calculating Element Count in Disjoint Volumes Using Venn Diagram

In summary: But thanks for the help anyway! Ok!:)That give me also correct?! Are you serious? This is bad that I can get correct from both...? I will talk to my teacher about this because its not good if I get correct from miss calculated + doing a wrong... But thanks for the help anyway! Ok!:)You're welcome! Glad I could help clear up the confusion.You're welcome! Glad I could help clear up the confusion.
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Petrus
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Calculate the number of elements in A1 U A2 U A3 if there are 97 elements in A1, 997 elements in A2 and 10098 elements in A3 in each of the following situations:
(a) The amounts are pairwise disjoint, i.e.
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, too
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.

(b)
0a0762b1e265e781e6409e400e5f951.png
.

(c) there are 10 elements in common for each pair of volumes and 4 elements common to all three sets.

(a)I get answer 997+97+10098
(b)10098
(c) is the part I think I do wrong, will attach a picture of my venn diagram.
for some reason I get problem to attaché the picture but i get a1= 73, a2= 973, A3=10074 so the answer is (that is wrong I think) 73+10+10+10+4+10074+973
 
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Petrus said:
Calculate the number of elements in A1 U A2 U A3 if there are 97 elements in A1, 997 elements in A2 and 10098 elements in A3 in each of the following situations:
(a) The amounts are pairwise disjoint, i.e.
c3939de84ef91f8e6d3d9088938ee01.png
, too
ea477786ed42b36a173e5f8918b58a1.png
.

(b)
0a0762b1e265e781e6409e400e5f951.png
.

(c) there are 10 elements in common for each pair of volumes and 4 elements common to all three sets.

(a)I get answer 997+97+10098
(b)10098
(c) is the part I think I do wrong, will attach a picture of my venn diagram.
for some reason I get problem to attaché the picture but i get a1= 73, a2= 973, A3=10074 so the answer is (that is wrong I think) 73+10+10+10+4+10074+973

Hi Petrus!

Well, your (a) and (b) are right.
... so I guess we'll be waiting for your venn diagram...
 
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I like Serena said:
Hi Petrus!

Well, your (a) and (b) are right.
... so I guess we'll be waiting for your venn diagram...
Hello Serena,
I can't uppload my picture but I explained how it looks like
 
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Petrus said:
Hello Serena,
I can't uppload my picture but I explained how it looks like

Okay. Let me upload then.
A and B overlap with 10 elements in common.
The 3 sets together have 4 elements in common.

View attachment 706

This doesn't quite seem to match what you have...
 

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I like Serena said:
Okay. Let me upload then.
A and B overlap with 10 elements in common.
The 3 sets together have 4 elements in common.

View attachment 706

This doesn't quite seem to match what you have...
Will it also be 6 on that A and C that you have not painted?
 
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Petrus said:
Will it also be 6 on that A and C that you have not painted?

Well, A and C would overlap in 10 elements and 4 of those elements are shared by all three.
So yes, it will also be 6 in the remaining overlap of A and C.
 
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I like Serena said:
Well, A and C would overlap in 10 elements and 4 of those elements are shared by all three.
So yes, it will also be 6 in the remaining overlap of A and C.
Basicly I have missunderstand the problem:( I thought it was 4 on a and b and c(that is correct) BUT its 10 on a and b... Thanks Sirena for help!:) I get the answer that is 11172

edit: after reading this again I notice how bad I explained. Basicly it was suposted to be 4 on a and b, when I calculated i calculated with 10 :P Unfortently I am not a verry good explainer soo I hope this explain ok:)
 
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Petrus said:
Basicly I have missunderstand the problem:( I thought it was 4 on a and b and c(that is correct) BUT its 10 on a and b... Thanks Sirena for help!:) I get the answer that is 11172

Hmm, I get a different answer.
How did you find yours?
 
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I like Serena said:
Hmm, I get a different answer.
How did you find yours?
I get the rest 6 I can't uppload picture so I will just type what I get
10082+987+81+6+6+6+4=11172

97-6-4-6=81
997-6-4-4=987
10098-6-4-4=10082

Hope this give you a clue :P Thanks for the help as well Serena!:)
 
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Petrus said:
997-6-4-4=987

This one doesn't seem quite right.

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Petrus said:
10098-6-4-4=10082

And this one has the right result, but a wrong number on the left hand side.
 
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I like Serena said:
This one doesn't seem quite right.

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And this one has the right result, but a wrong number on the left hand side.

hmm? How can I get correct?:S (its a problem that you answer through internet and if you answer correct it says 'correct' and I got correct:S?)
 
  • #12
Petrus said:
I get the rest 6 I can't uppload picture so I will just type what I get
10082+987+81+6+6+6+4=11172

97-6-4-6=81
997-6-4-4=987
10098-6-4-4=10082

Hope this give you a clue :P Thanks for the help as well Serena!:)

Petrus said:
hmm? How can I get correct?:S (its a problem that you answer through internet and if you answer correct it says 'correct' and I got correct:S?)

They should be like this:
97-6-4-6=81
997-6-4-6=981
10098-6-4-6=10082
 
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I like Serena said:
They should be like this:
97-6-4-6=81
997-6-4-6=981
10098-6-4-6=10082
That give me also correct?! Are you serious? This is bad that I can get correct from both...? I will talk to my teacher about this because its not good if I get correct from miss calculated + doing a wrong step
 
  • #14
Petrus said:
I get the rest 6 I can't uppload picture so I will just type what I get
10082+987+81+6+6+6+4=11172

97-6-4-6=81
997-6-4-4=987
10098-6-4-4=10082

Hope this give you a clue :P Thanks for the help as well Serena!:)

Petrus said:
That give me also correct?! Are you serious? This is bad that I can get correct from both...? I will talk to my teacher about this because its not good if I get correct from miss calculated + doing a wrong step

I don't understand what you mean, but your end result should be:
10082+981+81+6+6+6+4=11166
 
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I like Serena said:
I don't understand what you mean, but your end result should be:
10082+981+81+6+6+6+4=11166
What I mean is that this is a problem I get from a program. We are supposed to write the answer and it says if its correct or wrong, I get correct from my 'wrong answer' and the correct answer. Thanks to you I know what I did wrong and the correct answer...
 

FAQ: Calculating Element Count in Disjoint Volumes Using Venn Diagram

What is an Element?

An element is a pure substance made up of atoms with the same number of protons in their nucleus. Each element has a unique atomic number and can be found on the periodic table.

What is a Venn Diagram?

A Venn diagram is a graphical representation of the relationships between different sets of data or concepts. It consists of overlapping circles that visually show the commonalities and differences between the sets.

How is an Element Represented in a Venn Diagram?

An element can be represented in a Venn diagram as a circle or a point, depending on the type of diagram. If the diagram is used to compare elements, each element will have its own circle. If the diagram is used to compare different properties of an element, it may be represented as a point within the circles.

What is the Purpose of Using a Venn Diagram?

The purpose of using a Venn diagram is to visually represent the relationships between different sets of data or concepts. It allows for a quick and easy comparison of the similarities and differences between the sets, making it a useful tool in data analysis and problem-solving.

Can a Venn Diagram be Used for Elements in Chemistry?

Yes, Venn diagrams can be used to compare elements in chemistry. For example, a Venn diagram can be used to compare the properties of two elements or to show the overlap between different groups of elements on the periodic table.

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