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Listening to the farewell speech, right now.
God, how I dislike that man.
God, how I dislike that man.
He's not a total failure, he would make a good poster-child for birth control or abortion.turbo-1 said:Good riddance, W. What a sorry excuse for a human being.
Hurkyl said:Is there a point to this? Or do people just want to spew hate?
The rest of us still alive can indeed get up and say "we never really needed you W".lisab said:After these 8 years, don't you think we should be allowed to vent a bit? Just a little, maybe?
Yes, hate is ok, as long as it's pointed in the right direction.lisab said:After these 8 years, don't you think we should be allowed to vent a bit? Just a little, maybe?
russ_watters said:Yes, hate is ok, as long as it's pointed in the right direction.![]()
Not that emotional, no.lisab said:So, you don't think an emotional reaction toward those who govern us is justified.
Please do. You'll never hear me talking that way about a President of the US.I'll remember that over the next 8 years.
russ_watters said:Not that emotional, no.
Ivan Seeking said:Perhaps that how we ended up with someone like Bush - apathy.
Hurkyl said:Is there a point to this? Or do people just want to spew hate?
In the US, there IS no "good" news unless you can find some relatively unbiased cable-carried sources, since all broadcast news is filtered through the same corporate structures that build and maintain the military-industrial complex. You either get propaganda (major networks) or out-and-out right-wing indoctrination (FOX), with little else available. Try watching broadcast-only channels for a couple of weeks, and see if you can resist tearing your hair out when comparing what you see to international sources on the Internet.Cyrus said:I think the reason why we got him is because far too many people watch headline news, and don't seek good news. As a result, all they got was spoon fed 'they hate freedom' headlines. All they get is information at the surface.
LowlyPion said:What I don't understand is how his approval rating is as high as 27%.
Or perhaps the democrats put up a couple of crappy candidates those two elections (heck, Gore was in almost exactly the same position as McCain and lost for very similar reasons). Certainly a lack of excitement is a big part of why McCain didn't win, but lack of excitement doesn't equate to apathy, it is more likely to equate to rationality. When people get too excited, they stop thinking and that is a very dangerous thing. I would much prefer that people make rational decisions. Making decisions based on emotion leads to bad outcomes. People do what feels right instead of what is right. Heck, isn't that one of the main criticisms people have of Bush? That he went after Hussein for a family vendetta. That he let his emotions cloud his judgement due to his emotional dislike for the person. And that's exactly what this thread is about!Ivan Seeking said:Perhaps that how we ended up with someone like Bush - apathy.
russ_watters said:I want substance, not flash.
I'm not a fan - I wanted Christy Whitman. Substance over flash. However, analyzing it objectively, I get why he did it: to try to attrack people like Ivan and others in this thread who want flash.LowlyPion said:Your stance on Sarah Palin then?
I didn't like Clinton as President and certainly wouldn't want him as a friend. I think he's morally deficient. I would not describe him as a "sorry excuse for a human being", he's just flawed. A lot of people are flawed. If I ever met him, I'd be respectful, though - I get the feeling, many people here would relish the chance to spit in Bush's face. It's juvenile, not to mention self-defeating.Turbo-1 said:Good riddance, W. What a sorry excuse for a human being.
And though I didn't like him and that he had the distinction of being impeached, I wouldn't suggest he doesn't deserve his pension. That's just silly.binzing said:Woo...now we just have to support his sorry *** till he dies.
Very helpful.sticksandstones said:He's not a total failure, he would make a good poster-child for birth control or abortion.
russ_watters said:Or perhaps the democrats put up a couple of crappy candidates those two elections (heck, Gore was in almost exactly the same position as McCain and lost for very similar reasons). Certainly a lack of excitement is a big part of why McCain didn't win, but lack of excitement doesn't equate to apathy, it is more likely to equate to rationality. When people get too excited, they stop thinking and that is a very dangerous thing. I would much prefer that people make rational decisions. Making decisions based on emotion leads to bad outcomes. People do what feels right instead of what is right. Heck, isn't that one of the main criticisms people have of Bush? That he went after Hussein for a family vendetta. That he let his emotions cloud his judgement due to his emotional dislike for the person. And that's exactly what this thread is about!
But I'm unusual - marketing rarely has a positive impact on my buying habits but often has a negative impact. I hear an annoying commercial and make a mental note not to buy the product being advertised. I want substance, not flash. Obama has proven to have flash: now he'll have to prove he has substance.
Rational outrage is an oxymoron, as is rational exuberance.Ivan Seeking said:Outrage was entirely an appropriate response to the Bush admin. This is a result of rational thinking.
If that was a joke, it was only a little funny.What precisely has been flashy about Obama? Do you consider coherent sentences flash?
russ_watters said:Rational outrage is an oxymoron, as is rational exuberance. If that was a joke, it was only a little funny.
If you're serious, though, perhaps you should tell me: were you more excited about this candidate than most others you've voted for?
No, I didn't, Ivan, you did:Ivan Seeking said:You made an allegation; support it with evidence.
Perhaps that how we ended up with someone like Bush - apathy.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apathydictionary said:apathy:
1. absence or suppression of passion, emotion, or excitement.
After W was re-elected, I was lucky enough to stumble upon a t-shirt with Munch's Schrei entitled 3 more years at Dulles airport. I love this t-shirt, because the painting had just been recovered (by now you've guessed it was in 2006), and I think this masterpiece is quite appropriate to the reaction I had when he was re-elected.LowlyPion said:Only 4 more days and that's been 8 years too long as it is as far as I'm concerned.
My deviant culture leads me to think that, with so little concern about human life, W does not deserve the title "man".turbo-1 said:Truly, a man without a conscience.
When I look back on Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, et al, I have to compare them to Gollum. Single-minded, fixated, and amoral. My Precious...humanino said:My deviant culture leads me to think that, with so little concern about human life, W does not deserve the title "man".
Not on my part, I can assure you. I am very conservative, and I usually vote split-tickets. My revulsion with the Bush administration lies entirely with their actions, and not with their putative party affiliation.LowlyPion said:I was wondering if maybe this collegial discussion shouldn't be moved to Politics from General, as I think there may be a possibility that partisan rhetoric might emerge.